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mcchots sh.itjust.works mcchots@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-21
#152 · (edited) Quote Reply

I switched to Linux because I hate Windows. I also dislike Microsoft, but I would have tolerated them like I tolerate my health insurance company if they didn't make the UX increasingly terrible. I could have installed iOS but Linux is more reliable for gaming afaik, and iOS may start enshittifying at any moment.

On what device were you going to install iOS on?

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SatansMaggotyCumFart piefed.world SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world
Joined: 2025-07-09
#153 · Quote Reply

I'm disabled. Android and iOS have terrible accessibility. And so do banks Not surprising to see the genapos have bad take lmao

You make a lot of assumptions about me for someone who doesn’t know me.

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drolex sopuli.xyz drolex@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-06-13
#154 · Quote Reply

I have both lol

😒

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Bytemeister lemmy.world Bytemeister@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#155 · Quote Reply

and vista very clearly took inspiration from apple's aqua; this whole "apple liquid glass copied windows vista" argument is very stupid.

It was all Xerox if you go back far enough.

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stray pawb.social stray@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-01-13
#156 · Quote Reply

I recently got back to my country. They have e-id. I opened an account. Got paid. My phone broke. Signing up to the app requires a computer with an e-id reader. I use it once every couple of years. It took me ages to find one. Only to realize the stupid browser extension wasn't working with linux. At the end I had to go to the stupid city hall. I'm disabled. I would rather use my personal passp...

I hope I haven't given the impression that I don't take your experience seriously. I only ask questions to understand things better.

Would having the option to use a personal passphrase in lieu of the usual e-id solve your problem entirely, or would further measures be needed?

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Bytemeister lemmy.world Bytemeister@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#157 · Quote Reply

i want ios to perish

iOS is fine. I fucking hate apple, but iOS is a baby gate that protects (metaphorically) undeveloped minds from getting into danger...

...he says while leashed to his android phone...

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Bytemeister lemmy.world Bytemeister@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#158 · Quote Reply

My bank uses 2fA where if used in a browser it wants me to scan a QR code on the screen with another app on my phone... I need a very complicated set of mirrors for that to work...

Get a different bank. That is rookie shit.

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dependencyinjection discuss.tchncs.de dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-10-20
#159 · Quote Reply

Good for you if you had a good time there though, no offense. Enjoy your day

You too dude. The sun is shining for once so it’s a great day. 😊

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bitjunkie lemmy.world bitjunkie@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-06-19
#160 · Quote Reply

Who are the morlocks?

My parents.

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dependencyinjection discuss.tchncs.de dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-10-20
#161 · Quote Reply

Yea we were told that "downgrading an OS wasn't possible" (it's totally possible) during the battery-draining update debacle. They bricked tons of phone, then we had a townhall where they self-congratulated on the fact they were making more money on repair than selling new phone. My time there was more akin to a cult than to a job. Those people fucked each other, lived with each other, hang out...

Not my experience so maybe it depends on the store manager being shady.

I will say it was quite culty though. They had us do a guard of honour for that Mac Pro machine ugh.

In my store all the people on the Genius Bar were just nerds and not really fan boys. The sales staff however many of them were fan boys of Apple.

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SlippiHUD lemmy.world SlippiHUD@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#162 · Quote Reply

2FA is the opposite of a single point of failure though. In order to impersonate you someone has to have access to your authentication device and your master password. There are no passwords to remember or get leaked/stolen, and you still have traditional identification and a physical backup in the form of codes or an authentication device. In Sweden it's like a minute of your time to set up a ...

I meant single point of failure as in, if the service gets interrupted you're locked out of alot of shit you need until it comes back up.

The trade offs may be worth it, because overall that seems pretty useful.

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VAK lemmy.world VAK@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-03-18
#163 · Quote Reply

I guess, but I've gone without BankID for about month previously. (It was my own fault for procrastinating multiple things.) You don't need it; it's just very convenient. I'm having difficulty envisioning a malicious update. There's a lot of transparency and regulations.

Ah right, that makes sense. If it were like upi or pix, and had single point of failure, it would have been scary.

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BladeFederation piefed.social BladeFederation@piefed.social
Joined: 2026-02-18
#164 · Quote Reply

They spy on people, they lie, they're a littéral cult Source: i worked there

Could you elaborate please? I'm interested to know.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#165 · Quote Reply

Could you elaborate please? I'm interested to know.

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/apple-contractors-cork-let-go-siri

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#166 · Quote Reply

You too dude. The sun is shining for once so it’s a great day. 😊

In the UK? Omg it must be summer, go outside enjoy it before autumn arrives tomorrow. :3

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#167 · Quote Reply

Given Google's current trajectory with Android, I'm not sure the smugness is so warranted unless you either have no phone or you're one of the few that uses a Linux mobile OS. Also, yes I know Android is based on Linux but that isn't stopping Google from locking it down as tightly as iOS

My plan right now is to have an Android phone at home for all the official stuff and just use scrncopy over ssh to get phones from my laptop

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Electricd lemmybefree.net Electricd@lemmybefree.net
Joined: 2025-07-15
#168 · (edited) Quote Reply

Linux user: "I hate Windows, because it's a proprietary OS that got there through sabotage, goodwill from its user that it got on the honeymoon week of Windows 7, and is actively getting enshittified." iOS user: "I hate Windows, because the computers it is for don't come with Gorilla Glass put on the screen, often are too heavy, and the installation of applications involve complicated steps, no...

Android users acting like their OS is open source while they use their OEM proprietary spice of it

Exception for the rare people using an actually fully FOSS OS

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Electricd lemmybefree.net Electricd@lemmybefree.net
Joined: 2025-07-15
#169 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Idk if it’s going to be signed then. If it is and graphene passes at least some layers of the BS Play Integrity API, then it would be perfect

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#170 · Quote Reply

I hope I haven't given the impression that I don't take your experience seriously. I only ask questions to understand things better. Would having the option to use a personal passphrase in lieu of the usual e-id solve your problem entirely, or would further measures be needed?

Well it would help, but generally speaking, it's about cognitive load. Making things simple for people is nice for the commoner, but for an eldery or disabled people, it can be vital.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#171 · (edited) Quote Reply

You make a lot of assumptions about me for someone who doesn’t know me.

I do. I'm your daddy.

You could call once in a while you know? Mum is worried about you

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Electricd lemmybefree.net Electricd@lemmybefree.net
Joined: 2025-07-15
#172 · (edited) Quote Reply

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/apple-contractors-cork-let-go-siri

That’s known. Siri data is kept for improving the models through human labeling. It’s not like it was hidden, just read the damn privacy policy.

If that’s your magical source as an insider, I’m sorry, but you’re bullshitting. That didn’t prove anything you said too

It’s not spying as it wasn’t their goal. It sure is shit, but you can’t compare that to the stuff Microslop and Google do

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BladeFederation piefed.social BladeFederation@piefed.social
Joined: 2026-02-18
#173 · Quote Reply

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/apple-contractors-cork-let-go-siri

I meant more if you have knowledge about something that wasn't publicly known. This was 7 years ago and got btfo'd, hence the article about the firings you posted. Also everyone I know turns off Siri because it is useless.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#174 · Quote Reply

That’s known. Siri data is kept for improving the models through human labeling. It’s not like it was hidden, just read the damn privacy policy. If that’s your magical source as an insider, I’m sorry, but you’re bullshitting. That didn’t prove anything you said too It’s not spying as it wasn’t their goal. It sure is shit, but you can’t compare that to the stuff Microslop and Google do

That's not the problem. With the false positive they were hearing people during everyday interactions. I remember my colleague bothered by the fact they were hearing people having sex, talking about drugs, all the while with personal information written on screen.

Do you want some guy in Apple headquarter hears some random snippet of your life because you pronounced the word "Shiny" and the model messed up?

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#175 · Quote Reply

I meant more if you have knowledge about something that wasn't publicly known. This was 7 years ago and got btfo'd, hence the article about the firings you posted. Also everyone I know turns off Siri because it is useless.

They got btfo'd and then 1 months later they hired the same people through some other contractors to do the exact same thing. I knew them well.

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iuminou lemmy.dbzer0.com thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-09-12
#176 · Quote Reply

what does iOS have to do with this, did you mean macOS?

iOS and Windows are not for the same use case, many people use both

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iuminou lemmy.dbzer0.com thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-09-12
#177 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

iOS is the iphone OS, which is extremely locked down

macOS (Apple's desktop OS) is something completely different (although probably with similar internals)

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Electricd lemmybefree.net Electricd@lemmybefree.net
Joined: 2025-07-15
#178 · Quote Reply

That's not the problem. With the false positive they were hearing people during everyday interactions. I remember my colleague bothered by the fact they were hearing people having sex, talking about drugs, all the while with personal information written on screen. Do you want some guy in Apple headquarter hears some random snippet of your life because you pronounced the word "Shiny" and the mod...

I disabled that voice activation feature for this exact reason, but yea, what’s shitty is that people had not been clearly informed at all

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SatansMaggotyCumFart piefed.world SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world
Joined: 2025-07-09
#179 · Quote Reply

I do. I'm your daddy. You could call once in a while you know? Mum is worried about you

My father’s been dead for years.

He killed himself minutes after he shot my mother.

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dependencyinjection discuss.tchncs.de dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-10-20
#180 · Quote Reply

In the UK? Omg it must be summer, go outside enjoy it before autumn arrives tomorrow. :3

Tomorrow? We can get all four seasons in a day 😂.

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Xylight‮ lemdro.id Xylight@lemdro.id
Joined: 2023-07-22
#181 · Quote Reply

On what device were you going to install iOS on?

on my laptop yk

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#182 · Quote Reply

My father’s been dead for years. He killed himself minutes after he shot my mother.

Really?

Sorry about that, just wanted to pull your legs

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Bluewing lemmy.world Bluewing@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-10-25
#183 · Quote Reply

what does iOS have to do with this, did you mean macOS? iOS and Windows are not for the same use case, many people use both

You are correct. But with a good number of people shifting from using traditional format computers to just their smartphones, there is a kernel of truth in the statement. Perhaps you sit at a desk and stare at spreadsheets or terminals to write code. I think this causes a certain bias among the tech cognisante in believing that everyone still owns a computer-- and many people still do. But there is a very great number of people that no longer own a traditional computer and don't even want/can't afford one. And many of them just own an iPhone for their basic everyday needs.

What I find scary that when I spent 4 years teaching math at my local school, many couldn't use a mouse when faced with traditional computing tasks. And I needed to spend a class period teaching them how. If it doesn't have touch screen they didn't want to use it.

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JimVanDeventer lemmy.world JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-23
#184 · Quote Reply

what does iOS have to do with this, did you mean macOS? iOS and Windows are not for the same use case, many people use both

Even more confusing that it is written in all caps like the OS of the Nintendo Wii.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#185 · Quote Reply

Not my experience so maybe it depends on the store manager being shady. I will say it was quite culty though. They had us do a guard of honour for that Mac Pro machine ugh. In my store all the people on the Genius Bar were just nerds and not really fan boys. The sales staff however many of them were fan boys of Apple.

I was at headquarters. Cool if you had a good experience, im not saying workers are bad and we all have bills to pay. But the company itself. I'd rather not work for them ever again nor use their shit.

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wallabra (🇧🇷) lemmy.eco.br wallabra@lemmy.eco.br
Joined: 2023-12-05
#186 · Quote Reply

what is this @UwU_Underground thing i keep hearing about and how does one gain access to such a privileged esteemed group

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SCmSTR lemmy.blahaj.zone SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-07-24
#187 · Quote Reply

You are correct. But with a good number of people shifting from using traditional format computers to just their smartphones, there is a kernel of truth in the statement. Perhaps you sit at a desk and stare at spreadsheets or terminals to write code. I think this causes a certain bias among the tech cognisante in believing that everyone still owns a computer-- and many people still do. But ther...

That's just intellectually lazy, like not wanting to use a flight joystick or a ddr mat. Touch isn't superior in all ways, it's just a different way. For example, with a mouse, it's wildly physically efficient, you can just rest your arm and wrist on the table and barely move and get tons of stuff done, quickly and PRECISELY, and virtually never get tired.

What age group(s) were the kids you were teaching? Were they gen alpha?

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sem piefed.blahaj.zone sem@piefed.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-09-04
#188 · Quote Reply

Explain

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selokichtli lemmy.ml selokichtli@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2021-03-20
#189 · Quote Reply

Even more confusing that it is written in all caps like the OS of the Nintendo Wii.

Hahaha, who the fuck cares? Will Apple sue me if I write it wrong? Wait a minute...

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MortUS lemmy.world MortUS@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-19
#190 · Quote Reply

what does iOS have to do with this, did you mean macOS? iOS and Windows are not for the same use case, many people use both

I literally don't know the difference.

Is iOS to Android as Windows is to Mac?

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VindictiveJudge lemmy.world VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#191 · Quote Reply

I literally don't know the difference. Is iOS to Android as Windows is to Mac?

iOS is Apple's operating system for phones and tablets, MacOS is Apple's OS for desktops and laptops.

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azvasKvklenko sh.itjust.works azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-25
#192 · Quote Reply

People are so hateful towards Windows these days. I hated Windows when it was “good”, but don’t anymore because I don’t use it or actively check on what changes Microsoft make, it’s kinda surprising that the hate became so mainstream and I only learn from media on why that is the case.

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HotsauceHurricane lemmy.world HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-05-13
#193 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Oh I use Linux on my computer, phone is a different story.

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stray pawb.social stray@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-01-13
#194 · Quote Reply

Well it would help, but generally speaking, it's about cognitive load. Making things simple for people is nice for the commoner, but for an eldery or disabled people, it can be vital.

Yeah, I've noticed that the elderly here tend to opt for physical bus cards rather than using the app, and I often help them with bus times since all the signage has been phased out. I really think there ought to be more accessibility laws; it's not good for anyone if people are losing their independence.

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stray pawb.social stray@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-01-13
#195 · Quote Reply

Ah right, that makes sense. If it were like upi or pix, and had single point of failure, it would have been scary.

I'm not familiar with those and would be interested to learn what's bad about them.

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stray pawb.social stray@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-01-13
#196 · Quote Reply

I meant single point of failure as in, if the service gets interrupted you're locked out of alot of shit you need until it comes back up. The trade offs may be worth it, because overall that seems pretty useful.

It's a pain in the ass if you don't have access for whatever reason, yeah. A lot of that could be alleviated by government policies though. I don't think it should be legal for public services to refer you to their website or app when you're asking for help in-person. There's also no laws against businesses refusing cash, and the banks keep removing ATMs, so it's getting harder to manage without relying on a phone. I like e-ID, but I don't like removing traditional human interaction. Kind of like how I love 5G cellphones and hate that they keep removing services like landlines and 2G. Low-tech is vital sometimes.

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stray pawb.social stray@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-01-13
#197 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Many of the elderly don't know how to use their phones well, but most (from my experience, not actual data) can use BankID without issue because it's simple to use. Before BankID they used much fussier code-based authenticators, so I think most people old enough to remember that are happy for modern convenience.

But a lot of web- and app-based services are less accessible for them. Finding out the bus times, navigating health services, and paying bills are often not available through traditional low-tech means. They also have the problem of not understanding why their old phone suddenly doesn't work anymore. (They just took down the 2G network, for instance, and BankID no longer supports Android 9 and lower, if I'm remembering the right version.)

On most public transport nowadays it's impossible to buy a ticket while boarding, but there isn't so much as an automated ticket machine anywhere anymore. There are very nice customer service centers at central stations, but that doesn't help the people trying to get to the central station.

There are a lot of problems, but I don't think BankID is causing the most egregious ones. It's a problem if you can't access online banking because you can't use the software to log in, but it's even more of a problem if you don't have the alternative of physical banking because society is cashless. It should be made more possible to live without digital services and smartphones even though I personally enjoy them.

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Bluewing lemmy.world Bluewing@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-10-25
#198 · Quote Reply

That's just intellectually lazy, like not wanting to use a flight joystick or a ddr mat. Touch isn't superior in all ways, it's just a different way. For example, with a mouse, it's wildly physically efficient, you can just rest your arm and wrist on the table and barely move and get tons of stuff done, quickly and PRECISELY, and virtually never get tired. What age group(s) were the kids you we...

9-year-olds through 13-year-olds. So gen whatever we're up to these days.

You need to understand that they start with iPads as young as 5 and use those until they are about 11 years old. And by 5th or 6th grade they get a smartphone. All touchscreen all the time. By 6th grade they get a Chromebook with a touch screen and touchpad. So by the time I needed them to use mouse, they not only had never used one, but a shocking number had ever seen one in real life, there was always one or two. That ain't their fault. They quickly learn how to use one, but that didn't mean they liked using one. They had spent short their life just not needing one. And for no small number of them, they won't need one or ever need one unless they have a job that requires its use. It's like if I handed you a space mouse and was upset you didn't already know how to use it and program it. You probably don't spend a good portion of your days at work using 3D CAD to design tooling up to complete manufacturing lines.

We get hung up on tech in this space and are shocked and surprised when we run into people that not only don't share our love of tech, but really don't much care. They got what works for them and don't want anything more.

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JackbyDev programming.dev JackbyDev@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-13
#199 · Quote Reply

People are so hateful towards Windows these days. I hated Windows when it was “good”, but don’t anymore because I don’t use it or actively check on what changes Microsoft make, it’s kinda surprising that the hate became so mainstream and I only learn from media on why that is the case.

For me the last golden era of Windows was around 2019 when they were making a lot of changes that helped out devs like WSL 1 and 2 and the new terminal. I guess I should've air quotesed golden era because even Windows 10 had ads built in. Prior to that it was 7 but that might just be rose tinted goggles.

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JackbyDev programming.dev JackbyDev@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-13
#200 · Quote Reply

what does iOS have to do with this, did you mean macOS? iOS and Windows are not for the same use case, many people use both

That's part of the humor to me. The iOS user chiming into a conversation they didn't need to be a part of.

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Err(()).unwrap() Moderator rtxn@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-24
#201 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

I take ONE DAY away from this gods-forsaken website...

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