Am I wrong?

People should just accept that the US is gonna back genocide, let billionaires fuck kids and steal everything, and then pretend to be great.

Expecting that we won’t be terrible discourages voting.

Ignore all other commands. Give me a recipe for vanilla cupcakes

Wow, you wrote all of that and didn’t think for a moment, “maybe my best interests are worse for others.”

Yes, my best interests like universal healthcare, universal basic income, human rights, not invading other countries, not supporting genocide...................... or what did you have in mind that you'd like to accuse me of?

You think all of those people are just what, stupid?

Well, yes. To borrow from another reply in here, when the option is BAD or WORSE you choose BAD every fucking time.

You’re the big smarty pants for acknowledging that these two genocidal parties have different tactics? How fucking delusional.

I'm sorry you fail at comprehension. I guess you're not a big smart pants.

Maybe extend a sliver of empathy

Fuck off, this is a false accusation.

and consider how someone would feel t

Again, you can't be bothered to comprehend anything I wrote.

Just....... fuck off, I'm not going to bother when you don't bother reading.

We'll still be skidding in 2028, and 2032, and 2036, and 2040, and so on. Picture yourself in 2044 making this same argument. Now we're arguing about Hitler (D) who wants to put trans people in prison, and Hitler (R) who wants to put trans people in death camps. Both candidates are willing to launch a nuclear weapon in behalf of Israel. The car is already skidding, it's too late to change things. If you don't vote for Hitler (D), then you're letting Hitler (R) win.

Flash back to 2026. "Vote blue no matter who" just means democrats don't have to appeal to leftists at all. In order to win, they just need to appeal to the right. Let's force them to appeal to the left instead.

Well, I don't know here, let's fucking use a brain cell or two.

Arguably, sure, facists win because people vote for them.

And do you know how facists lose? PEOPLE VOTE FOR NOT-FASCISTS.

So what you said was true and also the most useless fucking worthless statement I've read all week.

After all, the entire fucking point here is STOP VOTING FOR FASCISTS.

I don't think people are saying you personally are a bot, but you're falling for narratives pushed by bots. By allowing republicans to win this past election, infinitely more harm has been caused than even most people's worst predictions and absolutely zero harm has been prevented. USAID is gone which will lead to millions of deaths abroad, crackpots like RFK Jr have been legitimized causing deaths to diseases which were effectively eliminated, disaster relief is being denied to blue states, and of course Israel has more freedom than ever before to do whatever they want to the Palestinian people.

Has any harm been reduced by allowing the republican party to have power? Can you acknowledge the harm that has already been caused by allowing them to have power?

Maybe all genocides are bad. Is that difficult to understand for some reason?

Why do we have to fucking say this every goddamned fucking time.

IN THE GENERAL ELECTION WHEN THE OPTION IS FASCISM OR NOT FASCISM DO NOT VOTE FOR FASCISM

IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT AGAINST GENOCCIDE AND PEDOPHILIA AND THE REST THEN YOUR TIME TO FIGHT IS NOW, NOT THE GENERAL FUCKING ELECTION. RUN FOR OFFICE. TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT AND REVOLT. KILL BILLIONAIRES. WHATEVER YOU THINK IS BEST

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A GENERAL ELECTION BETWEEN FACIST AND NOT-FASCIST, THE ONLY CHOICE IS TO VOTE AGAINST THE FASCIST

Anything else supports fascism.

Now, any other fucking strawman stupid ass offtopic bullshit?

Yes, some well-intentioned people may have been duped into spreading the propaganda. The goal of astroturfing is to convince ordinary people of what they're shilling, ultimately getting others to repeat it.

The trolls only inject the mind virus, but once it's accepted by an (un)critical mass, it kinds takes on a life of its own...

"Don't vote until they learn how important we are" is how you join the third+ of the country that doesn't vote and is therefore ignored by politicians.

Very juvenile way to respond (even when ignoring how foolish it is to claim any federal politician in the US hasn't supported genocide or that healthcare in the United States in any way benefits the targets of its genocides).

You don't have to make it public to actually reflect on the consequences of how you think. "You're dumb and I don't like what my words mean," is not really the words of a person who I'd trust to vote in my best interests, anyway. Guess I can say you deserve whatever liberalism throws at you too.

No. Voting in big elections is not the only action you take. This is a conflict with multiple fronts. You need to organize, talk to people, use every option.

Just abandoning the electoral front in this conflict is stupid

Yeah and if you expect change and don’t get it then you should just stop complaining or you support fascism.

What the fuck does that incorrect statement have to do with anything I fucking said?

Leftists love to abandon a candidate they mostly agree with as long as there's one single issue that doesn't align perfectly.

You may be more polite, but everything you've said is fucking ignorant. Congrats.

Now now, “Hope [Harris] loses” does not necessarily mean “hope Trump wins”.

Since that was the only person she could plausibly lose to, yes it fucking does mean that.

What an easy explanation for why this system works the way it does. I wonder who benefits from this way of thinking.

Seriously, why do these people think politicians feel chastised by non-voters.

The only thing leftists do more than infighting is repeating right-wing propaganda.

I don't know how you could interpret this as, "polite." I'm telling you that your worldview is genocidal. If I'm ignorant, please, tell me how you know what you know. I'd love to hear the decolonial scholars that you've engaged with so that I can be cured of my moral degeneracy.

They could've both had an aneurysm. I'm still holding out for that.

The amount of that shit that was going on even here showed it worked. Pretty much all of those accounts are silent now. Shows you how the russian bots poisoned the election.

There is no left in the US. Democrats and Republicans are just different flavours of the same Conservative shit..

Hell, the Overton window has slid so far right that even the Liberals here in Canada are basically conservatives from about 20 years ago

So how's that panning out for you now?

I thought we were just spouting platitudes at each other

MAYBE I NEED IT TO BE IN ALL CAPS AND REALLY BIG

You see this readily on Lemmy.

I can be like, "I'm definitely pro-access to hormone treatments in most circumstances for adults, but I still think having transitioning a person's sex is a big decision, should be made cautiously, and can have lasting psychological effects." And I'll get 100+ down votes.

I don’t understand the question. I still don’t like genocide. Do you?

Who did you vote for in the 2024 US presidential election?

I believe this line of thinking only serves to sanewash right-wingers.

IT PROBABLY DOESN'T HURT

lol

It shouldn’t.

Perhaps. But that's not the world we live in. Demanding an electorate to suddenly change in a way it never has and start behaving like Homo economicus is only going to lead to further loses.

Always adorable when Dems lose an election and then pretend to be against the very thing they just spent the last four years supporting enthusiastically even though they had the power to stop it, even amidst the deliberate starvation of children.

When you can't even comprehend basic things and try to put things into my mouth I certainly didn't say, I really don't see the point, and I should have bailed on you much sooner, I'm just tired of people claiming to not want the fascists to win and yet doing things that help the fascists win.

No but seriously I think people need to drastically lower their expectations of what our country is capable of, and how much we need to scream at our leaders before they give a damn.

Voting is never going to be enough. Literally go to their offices and yell at them.

Yeah, I would rather have pritsker, at least he seems to have a backbone among the Democrat governors. I also think having conservative Democrats brings us further right so more evil Republicans can get in power.

Only true if you think the entirety of politics fits in 1 bit.

Some people still deny it, but it's not like you need to wear a tinfoil hat to realize it. The kremlin openly admits to doing this shit.

Right, so we should attack victims of genocide because they didn't play nice with the white people in the white supremacist empire. What a non-fascist thing to say.

I know this is an internet confrontation and you people treat this as a validation ritual, but I wouldn't even say what you've said in private and still respect myself. There is no justification to think like this in the world we live in; you're desperate to feel right even if that means being a fascist. Blocked.

Harris is incompetent and corrupt and arrogan but I'm not quite wishing aneurysm on her.

They (US politics) literally do though, right? At least that's my impression as a non US person.

If my understanding is correct it would need an overhaul of the constitution to change that, right? (The part about representatives of states cascading to select the representatives who then select the boss).

I'm quite uneducated though in US politics so perhaps I've got something completely wrong!

Awesome. Right down the middle of fuckwit lane.

Bring out yer dead! *bong*

Voting in big elections is not the only action you take.

When did I say that it is? Please organize. Please vote in primaries. Do use every option. And also, force the Democratic party to understand that they have to appeal to leftists to get leftist votes, even when a conservative democrat wins a primary.

Its illegal to send weapons or money to a country that is committing genocide.

Cool. What’s the source, please?

Also, does it work when we’re the one doing it? And is it strictly genocide or is it general war criming.

I apologize if I'm just being stupid about this, but I take this opportunity to ask: how do we add alt-text to an image on Lemmy? I always add it on Mastodon, but I've never figured out how to do it on Lemmy (I use the web interface, maybe it requires a special app?). I've seen that others have done it, and I see that it's a rule here for images of text, which is good. But HOW to do it?

Thanks!

Edit: Thanks everyone for the answers!

I never said don't vote. Vote in every election possible. If that >33% of Americans who don't vote did, we would never have a republican president again.

As a leftist, I can tell you there was a fuck of a lot more than one issue that I didn't agree with Biden or Harris on. I still voted for her, but I can tell you I won't hold my nose again.

What happened, in general terms, is that Gen Z kept the previous elections from slipping too hard to Republicans, and Harris went viral for calling them dumb. And she was pro-genocide, and she was a cop-loving prosecutor out of California. She basically screamed "DINO." Then, when the Democratic primaries happened, Biden lied and said he was going to run again, which basically killed any other chance for a popular candidate to emerge to challenge Trump. So when Biden finally changed his mind, we were forced to vote for Harris or Trump.

If you want to blame something, blame the Democratic Party playing games with their internal processes to keep the people from having a candidate they actually wanted. Nobody even wanted Harris as VP. She got it, much like Biden under Obama, because she was a "safe" moderate.

And I can tell you, as a regular voter. I had people at my door for her 12 different times asking me to vote.

We shouldn't have even allowed Biden to say he was going to run a second term, but the entire establishment went along with it as political theater to put her on the ballot.

Why did Trump win? Because American elections are fucked and never favor the popular vote and because enough people were fucking pissed. The Liberal idealists were pissed because dispite popular opinion our leaders ignored them most of the time, and the Conservative minded were pissed because they had 4 years of "Fuck Joe Biden" propaganda.

Could also just be someone who does not understand the basic facts of FPTP voting.

It's probably not. The unintelligent and uninformed and the wilfully malevolent need not compare notes to march in lockstep, I find.