It's easy to critique and play both sides when you don't live here

I voted for her but if they put Gavin newsom, I don't know if I can care anymore.

I hate that guy, but hate cannot make Me act against My own interests. Well it can a little bit, especially in fast moving situations. But it can't do it with big decisions like My vote.

OP, can you please remove the x.com ad in the top corner? That's a Nazi website.

Yea, but from all his talks and bills I don't trust him to not be against queer people. So in a way they both will be against my own interests.

She said F Kamala and got a war in Iran, oops

I wonder why you call this an "ad".

I remember arguing for days, in 2024, that the whole "Democrats are bad because Palestine" thing was clearly a psyop by Russian bots trying to mess with the election. I really need to improve my persuasion skills. Like by a lot.

The democrats don't mind a republican president they are part of the same ecosystem of power, if you don't understand this it makes sense why you'd ask these questions

The entire picture is from that site

Pretty sure Democrats doing nothing to stop the genocide in gaza was a factor to their detriment in the election, bots aside

Plenty of people on lemmy saying the same exact things too. It's crazy.

I'd call it more of a citation

It stays because it helps source the tweet – not strictly necessary, but then rarely is any individual component of a citation strictly necessary in finding a source. Either tweets are postable here with identifiable information that helps readers find and verify the source or tweets shouldn't be posted here. I'd argue the former (if "primary source" posts to e.g. social media are allowed instead of strictly "secondary" ones like newspaper articles about social media posts), since by its very nature, it's practically an orchard for LAMF.

Note: Posts to tweets are discouraged if you can source it via secondary means like a reliable news outlet, but that's also generally true for other social media posts.

My actions and his actions are two very different things. If he primaries, I may tell people to vote for him against the R, having told people to vote against him in the primaries. In both cases I would be acting in alignment with My interests, for they are two very different choices. I will hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Even knowing that Trump was going to actively help Bibi? That's the thing I didn't understand: sure, the Democrats were not doing much to stop the slaughter, but from the previous Trump administration we knew Trump was going to actively help.

Yes, it's a shame that OP is posting Xitter screenshots, but the top right corner is a bigger shame.

Gavin running for president might flip California red lol. He is hated here across the political spectrum.

Not doing much to stop it is a weird way of saying actively helping it.

It says x.com twice in the screenshot. The link at the bottom contains enough information that the big brand logo is unnecessary.

OP, per Rule 4, for accessibility reasons, an image of text must either have alt text or a transcript in the post body.

Edit: Counting this as a warning for future posts, OP, but since you might not be here to address this, a transcript in a comment as a lesser substitute:

Bushra Shaikh (@Bushra1Shaikh): How TF did Americans vote the clown in, not once but TWICE.

Readers added context

This creator posted on Election Day 2024: "Punish the democrats for their passive response to the genocide in Palestine. If there ever was a party who should have stood firmly against it, we would've assumed the Dems. They proved otherwise. F Kamala Harris. Hope she loses.” [truncated URL to the post here]

What about the bottom link?

Both can be true. How TF we have 4 years to produce a candidate against trump, and the best we got was walking corpse Biden 2.0 and then Kamala "I'm speaking while your homeland is genocided" Harris.

Ok, but you see how massively demoralizing this conversation is, right?

Making logical points weighing up two distinct yet similar stances on genocide is only going to suppress voter turnout.

You found Beep’s alt account (/s)

The English language has an nice expression for that: "cut off your nose to spite your face"

Yes, it does.

rarely is any individual component of a citation strictly necessary in finding a source.

I could find out this is from x.com by searching its text, by searching its user handle, by seeing the 'x.com' at the bottom, by recognizing the UI, by knowing about the "Readers add context" functionality, etc.

If we're cool with discussing the contents of a neo-Nazi website, then we're cool with directly attributing the neo-Nazi website as the source of those contents.

I see you too are actively helping it then. It's your own words!

Yeah buddy I wasn't saying not actively working against it was helping it. I meant literally helping it. That Administration was actively arming the Israelis and aiding in the genocide. Super weird that you didn't know that.

Ok then tell me this, did Bibi like Biden? Did he want Biden to win? Did he think Biden let him do all he wanted? What did Biden say about Bibi in return?

Then you can look at things like Republicans voting to force continued sales of weapons

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/us/politics/house-bill-reverse-israel-arms-pause.html

Meanwhile;
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5429072-sanders-resolution-fails-israel-military/

Tell me what Biden could've done that wouldn't amount to starting a war?

You're such a ghoul, actively helping people like Musk and Miller and ensuring Trump won't put up obstacles for Israel murdering people in Lebanon and Iran. Because it's more important to you that people get martyred against their will for your personal ideological purity. You knew the genocide would get worse if Trump won and you decided that would be better

If voting for democrats means I don't mind a republican president, where does that put people who won't vote against republicans?

He's against all people who aren't Gavin Newsom. He's clearly a snake

He will be more against queer people than whoever the Republicans put forth? Really?

If candidate A wants you to hide your queerness and use the wrong bathroom, and candidate B wants to force you to be straight or go to jail or a conversion camp, are you really going to throw your hands up in the air and say it's not worth voting?

Voting for someone does not mean you support everything they stand for. It just means you think they are the best option of what has been laid before you.

"Option A is really, really bad for me. But I'm not sure if option B wouldn't be somewhat bad, too. So I will just watch and let option A happen."

--- You, and millions of other propaganda victims helping fascists win

Bernie Sanders has been the best we, the voters, have come up with. Biden and Harris were both offered to us as the only choices rich people would accept

He's not talking about the voters.

I can’t fathom how any of those people thought Trump would consider Palestine anything but a future golf course. It’s been annihilated as a country and a people under Trump.

Should they remove the blue checkmark too?
Beep boop beep

Your courage to do anything will help in the long run.

Please at least consider the option that helps some others.

Punish the dems knowing that we have a cancer as the Republican candidate. Gee, I have no idea how he got voted in! 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

I’m so sick of sharing my fresh air with these people.

I'd be very curious to see how many of you vote for someone who killed your entire family. Hey, you may even have the opportunity to by the time Trump dies and federal Dems expect you to pretend that they did anything to stop this.

Edit: I'm gonna leave this here in case any of you bloodthirsty libs think that you actually care about anyone's wellbeing. Imagine hearing news every week -- maybe even every day -- of your cousins dying, your siblings, your parents, your neighbours, people who you spoke to once and remember fondly, everything about your home destroyed in the most brutal and violent way imaginable; some of them died slowly, trapped under rubble for days. Then, you can't stomach to support or even tolerate the people who haven't even stopped bombing and sniping and gassing your family, and some fucking privileged assholes in the metropole blame you when their white supremacist state elects one of two white supremacists. Almost inhuman levels of dissonance.

Look at this and say why you think these people don't deserve to hate you and the system you benefit from.

Because the candidate doesn't matter anymore. You will get some shit propaganda narrative hammered into your brain anyway (see: "vote for Trump so there will be no genocidal war in the middle east").

So why would democrats care about anything else than their own internal power dynamics? It's not like they can get a good candidate when collective brain-damage will make sure that it's a totally useless candidate anyway once the screeching morons on (social) media tell you what your new reality is.

Doing nothing to stop it, cheering on Universities and police that beat and punished protesters, refusing to let Ruwa Romman or anyone else anti-genocide speak at their convention, etc.

Their policy was bad and they were assholes about it at every opportunity. It's honestly amazing she got as many votes as she did.

Single issue voting is how fascists win.

It's not even that. EVERYONE is harmed by fascists. Or, if you'd like to rephrase it this way: EVERYONE is harmed much more by fascists. Either way, in the general, vote blue. In the primaries, vote for the best option. And if you can run for office, run for office.

I’d be very curious to see how many of you vote for someone who killed your entire family.

Well, gosh, I dunno, let's say Democrats killed your whole family. So you have a choice: One party that killed your whole family, or another party that....... also killed your whole family.

I guess it makes no difference! Except all the fucking other ways it does, AND that's if we accept that on that issue both parties are the same, which they are not (although it's one of the places centre-right Dems fucking suck, yes).

One of my children hits me with an open fist from time to time, the other one uses a knife. I think I'll take the kid that only uses their fist over the one that uses the knife. Or some stupid analogy.

Oh, you don't like either of those? Then act where it matters to make change! Primaries, run for office, support other candidates. But when it comes to voting between fist and knife, I'll vote fist every fucking time.

This argument is fucking infuriating because all of the asshats voting against our best interests are harming all of us. Yes, it sucks, but you have to take the best option at every fucking level, or you get even worse. Like we are now.

"punish the Democrats" is a weird way to put it, seeing as it's minorities in America getting punished the hardest.

If it was a race between Gavin Newsom and JD Vance I’d vote Newsom in an instant.

It shouldn't. It's basic harm reduction.

One side probably won't stop it, but they're on our side so there's a sliver of a cintilla of a chance we could pressure them into it.

The other side absolutely would not, vocally stated he would help accelerate it, and would laugh in our faces and do even more to accelerate it for no other reason than it made us mad.

The choice should have been obvious, even if I and everyone else would have preferred better options.

What is more the "Democrat are bad because Palestine" was the opposition's framing. The argumeny was pretty unanimous that the policy on Palestine was going to cost the Democrats the election. The Democrats were bad because they knew full well they were going to choose to lose over changing that policy.

And that's just tunnel visioning at only the Israeli policy.