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Valorie12 lemmy.world Valorie12@lemmy.world
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#402 · Quote Reply

That this has over 700 upvotes on lemmy.world says everything you need to know about lemmy.world. You see it turns out you can have more than 1 thought in your head at once. Trump can be a fascist who materially supports a genocide and the democrat party can also be materially supporting a genocide. Look at how little they've done to stop the Iran war. Why do you think that is?

Why do you think that is?

Idk, it might be the fact that Republicans control all 3 branches of the government.

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Valorie12 lemmy.world Valorie12@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-12-30
#403 · Quote Reply

The closest a 3rd party candidate ever got That is what makes them a "third party," isn't it? When a third party starts doing well enough to win elections, they just stop being called a third party. And that has happened, or we'd be choosing between the Whigs and the Democratic-Republicans.

That's never going to happen in a first past the post system.

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stemy lemmy.ml stemy@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-09-21
#404 · Quote Reply

Punishing a politician by electing one who is even worse according your own standards. In my country, this is called "voting for the fox because the rooster is crowing out of tune".

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#405 · Quote Reply

This person is an idiot. The american public gave up on their one chance to influence the outcome of the presidency and fucked it up for everyone beyond comprehension, and are now still trying to push the blame on the establishment. Fuck every one of the sitouts and republican voters. You enabled the orange buffoon and couldnt see the threat he represented. Sometimes, when life gives you a choi...
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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#406 · Quote Reply

It's both. The Democrats are incompetent, but it's also true that Russia used their vast propaganda network to influence the election. This isn't exactly some secret.

Anyone who had a problem with genocide must be a russian. That's the only possible explanation.

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MousePotatoDoesStuff lemmy.world MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-09
#407 · Quote Reply

Also, non-MAGA Americans - democrats and leftists alike - need better people skills. One of those two groups runs the party and demands that we both vote for them no matter how bad they get, while simultaneously telling us to fuck off.

Edited for clarity, I was supposed to say "liberals". Thanks for helping me realise that!

You're right about the party leadership, too.

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Echo Dot feddit.uk echodot@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-26
#408 · Quote Reply

This person is an idiot. The american public gave up on their one chance to influence the outcome of the presidency and fucked it up for everyone beyond comprehension, and are now still trying to push the blame on the establishment. Fuck every one of the sitouts and republican voters. You enabled the orange buffoon and couldnt see the threat he represented. Sometimes, when life gives you a choi...

They have a two-party system and when they don't like either candidate they throw a tantrum and vote for no one.

Sure the US political system is the most broken of all democratic nations but throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't the solution either. As bad as Kamala Harris may have been I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have randomly started to war with Iran so does that.

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Echo Dot feddit.uk echodot@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-26
#409 · Quote Reply

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It's the flailing around and hurting everyone else on their way out that the rest of the world objects to.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#410 · Quote Reply

Even knowing that Trump was going to actively help Bibi? That's the thing I didn't understand: sure, the Democrats were not doing much to stop the slaughter, but from the previous Trump administration we knew Trump was going to actively help.

sure, the Democrats were not doing much to stop the slaughter

They were selling weapons to enable the genocide you're downplaying by refusing to call it a genocide.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#411 · Quote Reply

My dad gave me $1 to seed a lemonade stand. Trump's dad gave him billions. Our experiences are equivalent.

Imagine comparing a genocide to a lemonade stand.

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tgcoldrockn lemmy.world tgcoldrockn@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-07
#412 · Quote Reply

X as a platform is right wing propaganda. This would specifically attempt to undermine the progressive in the left-centers eyes, exacerbating division.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#413 · Quote Reply

Just because humans are vulnerable to certain psychological effects, doesn't mean it's not the fault of those who were effected by them. Humans are also vulnerable to stress eating. That doesn't remove the blame from fat asses with no self-control. And this person absolutely should have better self-control, whoever the fuck, sorry, TF she is.

And some candidates should be able to take a stand against genocide. Too bad you got your way and none were on the ballot.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#414 · Quote Reply

The problem then being the electorate. The same group so many here want to absolve. You may not care about politics and want to 'check out' but it still cares about you and will still effect you even if you try to ignore it. In that vein elections will still happen and people you agree/disagree with will still be given power over you and your life. No matter how low the turn out a decision will...

The problem then being the electorate.

Yeah, they should shut up and love genocide like you do.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#415 · (edited) Quote Reply

If every election is a decision between the lesser of two evils and both evils become more evil over time then harm isn't actually reduced in the long run. This is why harm reduction is a failing long term electoral strategy.

People preaching harm reduction whose candidates only ever increase harm over the last offering know this. They're arguing in bad faith.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#416 · Quote Reply

Hey guess what. The genocide got even worse under harris' opposition. How did that work out for all the genocide joe non-voters. How have palestinians benefitted under those protest votes/non-votes. Not to mention all the dead iranians that wouldnt be had harris won

Hey guess what. The genocide got even worse under harris’ opposition.

Congratulations on the furtherance of your only goal.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#417 · Quote Reply

The Gaza floating pier was used to do warcrimes, then dismantled.

As planned.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#418 · Quote Reply

Uhh trans people lost support last election. Or were you not paying attention to all the anti-trans legislation coming out.

Uhh trans people lost support last election.

Yeah, they had one party fighting against them and zero parties fighting back.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#419 · Quote Reply

Making logical points weighing up two distinct yet similar stances on genocide is only going to suppress voter turnout. It's the same as any other US election. We always have two shit sandwich options forced by the parties. There's always some absolutely fucked position they're both going to work towards and it is just a factor of which is less bad. There have been other genocides the US has su...

We always have two shit sandwich options forced by the parties.

That stopped working in 2016. Biden only won because he lied and said he wanted to do a bunch of stuff the left wanted. Harris was a return to "we're shitty, we love it, fuck you" politics.

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dracc discuss.tchncs.de dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
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#420 · Quote Reply

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Because Trump was never going to wage a war? Lol.
Everyone but R could see it clear as day that Trump would have no interest at all in stopping his Zionist friends from their favorite pastime hobby.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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#421 · Quote Reply

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It's certainly telling what he was willing to bypass congress to do after he couldn't bypass congress for the agenda he ran on.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#422 · Quote Reply

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This is a russian/eastern perspective

Pro-genocide centrists (there is no other kind) say this about everyone who disagrees with them on their only policy.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#423 · Quote Reply

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You are happy to accept this as long as no one had a non-genocidal candidate to vote for.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#424 · Quote Reply

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Centrists didn't lose the election. They circumvented the only one they cared about winning: the primaries.

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Tollana1234567 lemmy.today Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-04
#425 · Quote Reply

they sure are using alot of indian "accounts" to push propaganda, guessing russian ones are to obvious.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#426 · Quote Reply

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They say that their vote won’t matter because nothing will change, and therefore don’t vote.

Maybe pretend they're republicans and do what they want?

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_‌_反いじめ戦隊 ani.social AntiBullyRanger@ani.social
Joined: 2025-02-02
#427 · Quote Reply

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screen reader

I wish folks actually supported my endeavors.

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_‌_反いじめ戦隊 ani.social AntiBullyRanger@ani.social
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#428 · Quote Reply

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Wait, tankies are so brainwashed in their echo chamber, they objectively confuse “worth reading” with “approve”?

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#429 · Quote Reply

Because Trump was never going to wage a war? Lol. Everyone but R could see it clear as day that Trump would have no interest at all in stopping his Zionist friends from their favorite pastime hobby.
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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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#430 · Quote Reply

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for the most pointless reasons

You literally cannot imagine why anyone doesn't love genocide.

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Hawanja lemmy.world Hawanja@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-04-27
#431 · Quote Reply

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We're all suffering, becuase some people refused to understand why voting matters.
And not just us, now millions of people around the world are suffering.
I hope it feels good.

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#432 · Quote Reply

We're all suffering, becuase some people refused to understand why voting matters. And not just us, now millions of people around the world are suffering. I hope it feels good.
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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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#433 · Quote Reply

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The problem with incrementalism is that it looks like too little

The problem with incrementalism is that it's often just a bullshit cover for doing nothing at all.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#434 · Quote Reply

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Democrats should have listened to people who were telling them they would lose if they kept supporting genocide.

They were warned. They knew. They wanted genocide so badly they were willing to botch the election to make sure it kept going.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#435 · Quote Reply

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Yeah. I didn’t handle that well myself.

No, you did an amazing job of supporting genocide and nothing else.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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#436 · Quote Reply

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I mean, that's certainly how pro-genocide centrists interpret all criticism.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#437 · Quote Reply

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Did your demands for fealty to netanyahu by proxy result in less genocide?

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#438 · Quote Reply

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So you actively campaigned for more of it.

"see, by saying anything bad at all about genocide, you're actually at fault for genocide!" - people who demand silent acquiescence to the genocidal.

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Hawanja lemmy.world Hawanja@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-04-27
#439 · (edited) Quote Reply

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Voting Democrat in the general election isn’t nearly enough to stop the ratchet-effecting into fascism, and a stand-for-nothing placeholder centrist Democrat president in 2028 will probably just lead to Trump-3/Vance/someone similarly horrible in 2032

I mean, we could also just vote for a Democrat in 2032 and not have fascism.
Or, we could defeat fascism in the United States if the left would just get up off it's ass and DO SOMETHING instead of just complaining like they always do.

I'm serious. What the hell has the left actually done in this country to change anything, to stop fascism, to defeat capitalisim? Where are the collectives so I can get a job without having to go to a soul sucking corporation? Where are the "citizen patrols" so we don't need to rely on fascist police to protect people? When somebody loses their job where's the help, the support structure? When someone gets evicted and their house gets stolen by the bank what are the leftists doing about it? Where's the alternatives to "the system" you all say you're going to undermine but never actually do? This is all stuff that I've literally been hearing from the left my entire life, where the hell is it? Is it ever going to actually happen? I haven't seen shit from "the left" in this country except a bunch of stupid youtube videos about how the latest blockbuster movie or YA novel doesn't have enough representation in it or how celebrity/politician/CEO XYZ is bad so you better not support them/listen to their music/read their latest book else you're supporting [insert bad thing here.] You understand me not playing a video game or watching a TV show becasue someone bigoted was involved in it's creation changes nothing, right? You understand standing around holding a sign blocking traffic isn't going to change anything, right? None of that virtue signaling shit matters, except to make yourself feel good. You know what actually CAN change things? You know what actually CAN defeat fascim? Voting. But we can't even get the left to get up off it's ass and do that every four years.

So you don't like Democrats? Would the president of Venezuela been kidnapped if Kamala were president? Would ICE be out in the street busting down doors and sending people to death prisions in Columbia? Would ICE be straight up running people over and shooting them? Would Elon Musk and his band of dipshits have gutted the social safety nets so millions of kids starve to death? Would bombs be murdering entire families in Iran right now? The answer to these questions is "NO," and anyone who thinks otherwise is part of the problem.

So please, don't give me this shit about how voting democrats somehow "enables fascism" because that's a load of B.S. 100 years ago it was LEFTISTS who made this country better. Because of LEFTISTS we have a 40 hour work week, and an 8 hour work day. LEFTISTS stopped child labor. LEFTISTS passed anti-corruption laws. LEFTSIST broke up the trusts, smashed monopolies, and stopped greedy corporations from spewing thier shit into the water and air. 100 years ago LEFTISTS got up off their asses and made the country a better place. And how did they do it? BY VOTING. Because protesting doesn't change things, making tik tok videos that critique mainstream media doesn't change things, throwing cans of soup at the Mona Lisa doesn't change things - LAWS change things. And you pass laws by voting.

You don't want to vote? Then don't. But don't give me this bullshit about how it doesn't do anything, because it does. It's the only god damned thing that actually changes things.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#440 · Quote Reply

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You are proposing that the world supports Israeli genocide of Palestine?

He's demanding it. He does at all times.

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TheFonz lemmy.world TheFonz@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-02
#441 · Quote Reply

I'd understand or join with the lefty never-voting-anti-capitalist tankies if they had a plan, or a strategy, or a goal, or a coalition they were building towards. But there is nothing. No movement, no goals, no aims to achieve political power. It's all virtue signaling. We have people from Syria and Palestine literally begging the lefties to cease their rhetoric because it's causing more harm than good. But the reality is lefties aren't interested in solutions. They want to feel good about their online social media activism and watch Hassan Piker stream from a luxury hotel in Cuba while 90% of the country goes without electricity. That is the peak american socialist movement.

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Ensign_Crab lemmy.world Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#442 · (edited) Quote Reply

Edited for clarity, I was supposed to say "liberals". Thanks for helping me realise that! You're right about the party leadership, too.

With party leadership being like it is, "everyone just needs to be nicer to each other" is functionally identical to "resign yourself to permanent irrelevancy while the people who supported genocide tell you who to vote for."

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TrickDacy lemmy.world TrickDacy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-27
#443 · (edited) Quote Reply

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And posts like yours are a great argument for the existence of widespread paid Russian trolls intent on destroying the United States with the ridiculous notion that it was fine to let trump and other evil gop fucks destroy America because you were going to save Gaza by letting trump help them die faster. How'd that moronic "strategy" turn out? Gaza was saved? Also y'all sent a powerful message to Democrats. They truly learned their lesson. Such brilliance. But what do I know, I must be fake because I don't lack the brain power of a farm animal like you frauds do. You've all taught me so much. I cannot wait to sabotage the next election which probably won't even happen because of our blind moronism which led to trump as fully intended. We TOTALLY give a rats ass about gazans, that's why we let trump murder the fuck out of them. It makes us so morally pure. Totally logical and not stupid as fucking shit to anyone who is capable of thought whatsoever!

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Hawanja lemmy.world Hawanja@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-04-27
#444 · (edited) Quote Reply

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People like you are the reason the left hasn't accomplished anything of note in 100 years.

I do.

Edit: This is stupid and you're a bad person.

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uniquethrowagay feddit.org uniquethrowagay@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-09-23
#445 · Quote Reply

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If I can chose between certain defeat and possible defeat in 4 years, I chose the latter.

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Havokdan lemmy.world Havokdan@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-09-05
#446 · Quote Reply

Who guarantees that he is not or was not a paid profile or a far-right troll to deceive naïve?

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TrickDacy lemmy.world TrickDacy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-27
#447 · Quote Reply

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I mean, just because you pretend you were subtle here doesn't mean you're not still admitting to being transphobic and mad you cannot get away with it scot free.

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#448 · Quote Reply

People like you are the reason the left hasn't accomplished anything of note in 100 years. I do. Edit: This is stupid and you're a bad person.
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Hawanja lemmy.world Hawanja@lemmy.world
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#449 · (edited) Quote Reply

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Well what the hell did you do to stop genocide? Watch a bunch of tik tok videos about why the latest Harry Potter video game is bad? Get the hell out of my face with this b.s. The truth is you and youre entire movement is ineffectual and you know it.

I’m glad you’re miserable, I think you should be more miserable.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

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Stellar Bunny lemmy.blahaj.zone CelestialBunny@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#450 · Quote Reply

Arguing over who would have genocided people the nicest is fucked up on soooooooo many levels.

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#451 · Quote Reply

Well what the hell did you do to stop genocide? Watch a bunch of tik tok videos about why the latest Harry Potter video game is bad? Get the hell out of my face with this b.s. The truth is you and youre entire movement is ineffectual and you know it. I’m glad you’re miserable, I think you should be more miserable. The lady doth protest too much, methinks
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