No, fuck Israel. Kamala wanted a 2 state solution. Kamala was not in charge of the government, Biden was

It's simply baffling you people have zero understanding of civics.

Sure bud. Enjoy being responsible for trump. Have fun with that one. Want a hat? I'll send you one.

they have to make

That's probably the worst part of this and one of the worst excuses you grubs give.

You have no idea of that to begin because you installed Trump, not Harris. For installing trump, which is your responsibility as a collective, there truly has been a genocide, one of the worst we’ve seen. Harris said he’d do this and he has. You’re guessing she would, based on your twisted belief she’s as bad (or your knowledge that you’re horribly wrong and can’t bust your ego)

Being a fart sniffer though, and the job of who you elected done for your excuses, you’re running the line that a government never elected would be worse.

I’m telling you nothing could be worse than what we gave and it’s bearing out.

Suck that fart in, people died for it. Beyond that I couldn’t care less what your view is, you’re American.

No i didnt.

You got genocide and no centrist has ever wanted anything else.

I voted for harris to try and stop this bullshit.

I voted for harris. I will never forgive myself for voting for genocide just because it was the less horrible option. You voted for genocide first, candidate second.

Harris lost and now the world must contend with the consequences and even more people will die.

You got the only thing you ever wanted. Stop griping that your close second choice is doing it instead of your first choice.

The voter base, though…

You expect the anti-genocide voters to be kind to everyone who supports genocide, with no alteration in behavior from the latter whatsoever.

Provided we always vote

No I want you to vote. If you do it the way you shoukd that shouldn’t happen, provided enough of you do.

I’m sorry. I’m not your Zionist.

Party leadership successfully argued in court

And if AOC runs in the primary, I want you and others voting for her

You want

A progressive, young candidate. I have for years. I would have been happy with Sanders. I know, it hurts, but fight it…I’m not who you want me to be

Back then you were telling us it couldn’t happen, the Supreme Court would stop it, I knew you fools would let the country fall. I hoped you wouldn’t do it twice, but here we are.

I was doing nothing of the sort. I was doing the same thing I'm doing now, being upset at centrist democrats for capitulating to fascists every chance they get.

You will lose again if you nominate a pro-genocide shithead. You prefer to lose over nominating anyone who might not give netanyahu everything you want him to have.

A progressive, young candidate. I have for years. I would have been happy with Sanders.

Bullshit. You are only happy when people vote for genocidal shit with a fake smile on their faces.

Sorry, a gaslighting sealioning genocidal troll.

You keep making accusations that don’t line up with anyone’s reality.

I think most Democrat voters don't explicitly support genocide. (And no, voting for the "lesser evil" doesn't count.)

people like you

No, they are not like me. That said though, there’s no requirement to hold a primary, either, right?

I am like Mamdani. You want me to be a shitlib, but I’m not. I’ve wanted a progressive nominated for years and was as disappointed with Harris as I was with Clinton. I knew they’d put up no one else though.

What I understand, though, is that a) the only way that your current system, the way it is, can be fixed is by infiltration of one of the parties, like what has happened to the Republicans. That was ground up, and it needs to be the same through the Democrats so ranked choice et al can be introduced and b) not a single Democrat, even the worst, is up there with the Epstein Coalition

I would have opposed that court action.

I’m getting tired of this though, I’m telling excuse makers who have a bit of blood on their hands just simply to vote and they’re going fucking stupid over it as they do. Kid killers. I guess that’s why you're so pissed.

More gaslighting from the genocide wing. Name one policy democrats fought for harder than they fought to make sure netanyahu got his weapons.

EDIT: And suddenly the rapid fire responses fall silent. The genocide wing knows they only fight for one thing.

<Bullshit. You are only happy

Yep, tell yourself that. Useful tool. Kid killer. Pedophile enabler.

You're being pedantic. It's obvious that I meant that it's never going to happen this far into our current system. There's a very obvious reason why things shuffled around a lot early on and have settled into two very distinct parties, and you're a complete idiot if you don't realize that...

Great. Then you should know fucken better you gormless clown.

Fuck me. Ay?

Centrist democrats support absolutely nothing else.

I’m telling excuse makers who have a bit of blood on their hands just simply to vote and they’re going fucking stupid over it as they do

You're telling someone who voted the way you wanted despite hating the options presented that they're a kid killer.

I. Voted. For. Harris.

Great. Then you should know fucken better you gormless clown.

This is what you say to people who voted for harris but still don't like her because she's a genocidal piece of shit.

Fuck me

Yes, fuck you and all other genocide supporters.

o7

Genocide supporters

Champ for the final time I’m not an American, aren’t part of the tribal scene and I vote on social issues close to home for parties and independents who broadly support the Palestinian position. Though it is not a voting issue for me, never has been, I don’t support parties or reps that are otherwise positioned.

It’s broadly not a voting issue for me.

That’s your positioning of me, not the truth. Your country’s failure is its inability to vote, in primaries or main elections. That has been the case for a long time.

The president you have reflects the country in every way. The excuses they give, typical of privileged people who don’t understand how much influence their vote genuinely holds.

Immature, selfish people with a fitting leadership. Pedophile enablers, double tappers on schools.

Great. I said that based on nationality not voting intention.

Based on nationality, for you personally yeah.

If it pisses you off, have a drizz. I don’t care anymore what you or your countrymen think of me now and many foreigners feel the same way.

You all should have stopped this shit years ago. If you tried, shut the fuck up and don’t swing or you might get collateral because you’re all responsible for it.

How many Democrat voters do you know?

It's an exaggeration, for sure (passive complacency can't ever be as bad as active complicity), but the general sentiment of looking at the choice between Harris a fucking Nazi who was quite upfront about his plans, and going "Eh, doesn't make a difference" is stupid. For all her many faults, Harris' tenure couldn't have gotten this bad, if for no other reason than the Democrats' obnoxiously naive insistence on sticking to certain traditions and conventions even if the other side doesn't (but never actually enforcing those traditions - it's one thing to figut one-handed, but if the other doesn't, the moral high ground makes for a nice castle to be stuck under siege in).

That was ten years ago.

Feels like I've aged twenty.

The excuses they give, typical of privileged people who don’t understand how much influence their vote genuinely holds.

Why do you think I'm providing excuses for not voting when I vote in the primaries and the general election every time?

As long as I say anything less than worshipful of netanyahu, you will continue to ignore how I voted.

You all should have stopped this shit years ago. If you tried, shut the fuck up

You demand silence only from people who are upset at genocide.

Sorry for being outnumbered by the genocidal. You're happy I am.

I've met enough to know that centrists demand unquestioning support of genocidal candidates. You go down that road, it defines you as a person in your entirety forever.

Kamala wanted a 2 state solution.

Also, I’m not the one who turned America into a fascist state

Neither am I.

because ISRAEL was bombing people.

With American bombs.

The liberal worldview is so wild because the US can hold up a paper mask in front of it's face and that absolves it of all responsibility. Israel is a US proxy. If Biden wasn't to the right of Reagan on this issue, he could've stopped everything with a phone call.

Just to be clear, how "early on" is "early on?" Twenty years? Fifty years? A hundred? I'll give you a second to Google it so you can decide where the goalposts are.

They've settled into the two current parties because of one reason: a lack of will to change. There are other countries that have FPTP where the parties are not so static. Yes, it's a barrier. No, it is not insurmountable.

Fundamentally, there is no political system that is impossible to change. Monarchies were extremely hard to change, and yet they did, once the will was there. Political systems are designed and maintained by human beings. Treating them as if they were some innate, unchanging law of the universe is as delusional as thinking that the Supreme Court could overturn the law of gravity by finding it unconstitutional.

And indeed, our current system is unsustainable. It is, objectively, going to run up against physical constraints. It will bend or break. Trump is already an example of that. It's very simple: adapt, or die.

I’m just tired of Americans to be honest. Their excuses, their assumptions like you’re making.

It’s just childish man, grow up, fuck

I’m not answering your shit anymore, seppo. Fuck off.

y0u DemAnD siLenC3

You sound like some kid with a Che Guevara poster on their wall and sand in their vagina because they got schooled by the big bad foreigner.

Fuck you’re a whiny lot, like the president you elected

I don't subscribe to the ideology of lesser-evilism. I know that liberals, in their bubbles, don't understand that their beliefs are an ideology, that they think it's just obvious, objective, and self-evident, that anyone with a different ideology is just "stupid," but none of that is actually true.

I'm not going to throw my weight behind someone who I know intends to perpetuate genocide, full stop. You can rant all you want about it, but no matter how hard you try, you're not going to shame millions of people out of their deeply held convictions.

I’m glad ghouls like you are suffering

I’m not suffering. Am I missing something? My life is fine.

I’m happy I had the power to make you suffer

What gave you done to make me suffer? I said I wasn’t suffering. I’m not in any of the areas America has bombed or shut out nor am I in the US. You have not made me suffer.

I will happily use that power

I know. Go ahead. You’re not hurting me.

you’re a genocide denying fool

How does America installing Trump as their president make me a genocide denying fool? I’m well aware Netanyahu is carrying out a genocide, he’s been doing that for a long time. That's what he has you in place for.

I never said there was no genocide in Gaza at any time. I’m just not dumb enough to be fooled by the real bad actors. Doesn’t worry me though, not my vote, not blood on my hands either.

to suffer and be destroyed

Are you fattening out your chest again?

Oh here we fucking go. God you people lack spine.

No we aren’t, we never started this and I did vote against any action like this.

Our loyalty, misplaced as it is, doesn’t hold us responsible. We share jack shit.

This is yours and Israel’s. The Epstein Coalition.

Yeah go have a drizzle seppo

It's a good thing you guys didn't vote for Kamala. Imagine if the dems got in power, the Palestinian genocide would still be happening today.

Liberal shit.

yeah man…

Yep and your attempt to position me otherwise is as weak as the attempts to position me as supporting genocide, simply because I called out your inability to vote.

Sure, it’s annoying to see a pack of you gang up but I wouldn’t expect any different and it’s the same weak argument from the lot. But outside that there’s not a chance in hell I’d swap with any of you.

you literally did

Then point it out, because I’ve gone over my comments twice. Are you fabricating done thing else up? There’s been genocide in Gaza this time since Netanyahu rigged up that invasion, worse since you clowns put Trump in.

how dishonest you people

For telling you that the reason you're here is because you can’t vote? Then fuck yeah I’m dishonest bright eyes

Whoah here we got a bright one