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'I had to RUN to my Mac mini like I was defusing a bomb': OpenClaw AI chose to 'speedrun' deleting Meta AI safety director's inbox due to a 'rookie error'
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Zwuzelmaus feddit.org Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-12-14
#52 · Quote Reply

If I was the director of AI safety, and I used AI to own and delete my inbox, I sure as shit would never tell a soul. This is pure unbridled incompetence.

If I was the director of AI safety, [...] would never tell a soul.

As a director of something, you are kinda public person. No way to just not tell.

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XLE piefed.social XLE@piefed.social
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#53 · Quote Reply

Can someone explain to mr why these people are buying Mac Minis to run this in a "safe" environment and then they go on and connect it to the internet and give the AI credentials to all their cloud accounts? This seems excessively moronic to me? Am I missing something?

I don't think you're missing anything. I'm pretty sure this is the trend. People buy Mac Minis, probably don't even download a local model, FA, and FO.

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[object Object] lemmy.ca panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
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#54 · Quote Reply

If I was the director of AI safety, [...] would never tell a soul. As a director of something, you are kinda public person. No way to just not tell.

Okay but this is like the armoury master person shooting their own foot with a loaded gun when they were juggling guns.

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Cort lemmy.world Cort@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-09-06
#55 · Quote Reply

Can someone explain to mr why these people are buying Mac Minis to run this in a "safe" environment and then they go on and connect it to the internet and give the AI credentials to all their cloud accounts? This seems excessively moronic to me? Am I missing something?

Arm power efficiency, and unified ram at a fairly low price (at least compared to current ram pricing).

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Zwuzelmaus feddit.org Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-12-14
#56 · Quote Reply

How come some 25yo person is a director at Facebook? I mean, even if she is a child prodigy genius, which she obviously is not as she is face first fist deep into AI, how the frack do you have even enough life experience to become a director of any large organization at that age unless you somehow cheated your way in? Then reading the hat she's doing and how she resolved it tells me she doesn't...

How come some 25yo person is a director at Facebook?

Maybe she has met the Suckerberg at some time when she was ... younger?

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Zwuzelmaus feddit.org Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-12-14
#57 · Quote Reply

Okay but this is like the armoury master person shooting their own foot with a loaded gun when they were juggling guns.

Then the public wants to know where that hole in the director's foot comes from.

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Rai lemmy.dbzer0.com Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-07-01
#58 · Quote Reply

I hate how Apple users feel the need to call their computer by the brand. It really makes me cringe. It is called "a computer" Maybe "PC" "box" if you really have to flex that UNIX They should treat their computers less like a sports car and more like a van

Ehhhh as an owner of five or six windows computers, four Linux machines, and a couple Apple computers, I always specify which machine I’m referring to if I’m talking about something I did/something that happened on one of them in case it could be pertinent.

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Chulk lemmy.ml Chulk@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-10-11
#59 · Quote Reply

The funniest part is this person job is AI safety.

Yeah, I personally wouldn't be announcing this failure to the world if I were in her position. I don't think you could torture it out of me lmao

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mrgoosmoos lemmy.ca mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-24
#60 · Quote Reply

I hate how Apple users feel the need to call their computer by the brand. It really makes me cringe. It is called "a computer" Maybe "PC" "box" if you really have to flex that UNIX They should treat their computers less like a sports car and more like a van

yeah I sat there for a few seconds trying to figure out the relevance

turns out, it wasn't relevant

instant loss of attention and judging of their character

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Clent lemmy.dbzer0.com Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-13
#61 · Quote Reply

I love how these models apologize like they mean it. It doesn't mean it. It doesn't feel bad, and it will do it again. Apologies mean "I made a mistake and I learned from it so it won't repeat." Sure it claims it added more notes to it's config, but if it ignored the rules before, what makes you think that new rules are going to change anything?

They behave exactly a child does when a parent forces an apology.

They have the words they're expect to say so they do say them but they don't undersranr why, they definitely don't mean it and they lack the restrain to not doing whatever they apologized for over and over.

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boonhet sopuli.xyz boonhet@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-06-16
#62 · Quote Reply

How come some 25yo person is a director at Facebook? I mean, even if she is a child prodigy genius, which she obviously is not as she is face first fist deep into AI, how the frack do you have even enough life experience to become a director of any large organization at that age unless you somehow cheated your way in? Then reading the hat she's doing and how she resolved it tells me she doesn't...

Don't American companies give a loooot of people director or executive director titles just because it sounds impressive? In roles where you gotta talk to corporate customers at least

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SkyeStarfall lemmy.blahaj.zone SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-06-12
#63 · Quote Reply

It's just the natural progression of a disease that spreads outwards from Management. The bosses want yes-men, not people capable of independent thought.

In other words, it's why authoritarianism always fail

And capitalism is very specifically not a democratic economic system. There's a hierarchy. The owners are the ones in power

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Furbag lemmy.world Furbag@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#64 · Quote Reply

Isn't that why we're adopting AI? So the nurse can focus on more important things? 🤫

What could possibly be more important than the patient?

Why, the shareholders of course, silly!

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Wispy2891 lemmy.world Wispy2891@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-13
#65 · Quote Reply

Run? Like physically run? You install a server on your hardware without setting up remote access? Even plug and play one-click solutions like tailscale??

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CmdrShepard49 sh.itjust.works CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-05
#66 · (edited) Quote Reply

Yeah, I personally wouldn't be announcing this failure to the world if I were in her position. I don't think you could torture it out of me lmao

Maybe they want to get this out there as cover if/when some regulator somewhere decides to subpoena records from the AI safety director.

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renzhexiangjiao piefed.blahaj.zone renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-06-10
#67 · Quote Reply

you can like... enforce this rule programatically? you don't have to say "pretty please" to ai? basically, when AI requests some potentially unwanted thing (like deleting an email), this request goes through a proxy that asks the human for confirmation. Also you can have a safe word set up in the chat interface to act as a killswitch. I thought these are ABCs of ai safety but apparently these are foreign concepts to this "safety director"

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furry toaster lemmy.blahaj.zone protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#68 · Quote Reply

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yes the point of apple prodcuts is to waste money and shove it at everyone's faces

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moonshadow slrpnk.net moonshadow@slrpnk.net
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#69 · Quote Reply

How come I can't find a job while an air-brain like this has a job title like that?

You gotta be dumber, and more greedy

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prettybunnys piefed.social prettybunnys@piefed.social
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#70 · Quote Reply

I love how these models apologize like they mean it. It doesn't mean it. It doesn't feel bad, and it will do it again. Apologies mean "I made a mistake and I learned from it so it won't repeat." Sure it claims it added more notes to it's config, but if it ignored the rules before, what makes you think that new rules are going to change anything?

Like an abusive relationship

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HobbitFoot thelemmy.club HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2023-06-16
#71 · Quote Reply

you can like... enforce this rule programatically? you don't have to say "pretty please" to ai? basically, when AI requests some potentially unwanted thing (like deleting an email), this request goes through a proxy that asks the human for confirmation. Also you can have a safe word set up in the chat interface to act as a killswitch. I thought these are ABCs of ai safety but apparently these a...

Program? Like a fucking farmer?

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zqps sh.itjust.works zqps@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-10-14
#72 · (edited) Quote Reply

you can like... enforce this rule programatically? you don't have to say "pretty please" to ai? basically, when AI requests some potentially unwanted thing (like deleting an email), this request goes through a proxy that asks the human for confirmation. Also you can have a safe word set up in the chat interface to act as a killswitch. I thought these are ABCs of ai safety but apparently these a...

The people who internalize this would never engage with a chatbot in this way in the first place. To them this is another intelligence they're conversing with, where you get what you need by following social decorum, and enforcing your will amounts to abuse.

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HobbitFoot thelemmy.club HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club
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#73 · Quote Reply

Can someone explain to mr why these people are buying Mac Minis to run this in a "safe" environment and then they go on and connect it to the internet and give the AI credentials to all their cloud accounts? This seems excessively moronic to me? Am I missing something?

They are buying the Mac Minis since they are a cheap way to run a server where this would work. They aren't create a safe environment for AI, but an access point on local hardware.

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HobbitFoot thelemmy.club HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club
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#74 · Quote Reply

Don't American companies give a loooot of people director or executive director titles just because it sounds impressive? In roles where you gotta talk to corporate customers at least

In American banking companies, Vice President is usually the first promotion you get.

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nieceandtows programming.dev nieceandtows@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-20
#75 · Quote Reply

Yes I remember. And I violated it.

Asimov rolling in his grave.

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CmdrShepard49 sh.itjust.works CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-05
#76 · Quote Reply

Then the public wants to know where that hole in the director's foot comes from.

How would the public find out that this woman's email inbox got deleted though?

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rabidhamster lemmy.dbzer0.com rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-02-15
#77 · Quote Reply

They are slaves to trends and haven't thought about it even a little bit?

For AI, it's because they're the cheapest way to hook up tons of memory to a GPU.

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-04-10
#78 · (edited) Quote Reply

Apologies mean “I made a mistake and I learned from it so it won’t repeat.” I beg to differ. An apology means that you feel bad about harm inflicted upon others. To prove the point: You apologize when you’re late due to circumstances that are outside of your control. Or when you accidentally bump into someone on the bus when the driver slams the break.

There are two kinds of apologies.

Customary, and Genuine.

They're describing a genuine apology.

You're describing a customary apology.

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-04-10
#79 · Quote Reply

If I was the director of AI safety, and I used AI to own and delete my inbox, I sure as shit would never tell a soul. This is pure unbridled incompetence.

Yep.

These people are all fucking complete clowns.

It would be one thing if they were just evil, but they have such an inflated view of themselves that they have no self awareness.

Fucking corpos man.

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#80 · (edited) Quote Reply

Nothing humbles you like telling your OpenClaw “confirm before acting” and watching it speedrun deleting your inbox. I couldn’t stop it from my phone. I had to RUN to my Mac mini like I was defusing a bomb ... Nothing humbles you like that?

I've got a suggestion for her:

Burn all your money and ids and property, become homeless.

That will humble you.

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-04-10
#81 · Quote Reply

AI: I'm so sorry. You're correct I violated protocol. I'll make a note of this so it won't happen again. Nurse: You gave my 5 year old patient 5000cc of morphine!

This is basically happening already with AI assisted surgeries.

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/ai-enters-operating-room-reports-arise-botched-surgeries-misidentified-body-2026-02-09/

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#82 · Quote Reply

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Branding and marketing is just building a cult these days.

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-04-10
#83 · Quote Reply

Can someone explain to mr why these people are buying Mac Minis to run this in a "safe" environment and then they go on and connect it to the internet and give the AI credentials to all their cloud accounts? This seems excessively moronic to me? Am I missing something?

No, you're not missing anything.

They're morons.

Thats our ruling elite; a bunch of fucking morons with egos and low self awareness at best, literally child raping and murdering pedophiles at worst.

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#84 · (edited) Quote Reply

I love so much that there are real, hilarious consequences for overzealous early adoption. You can't make this shit up.

Problem:

This is the exact same kind of shit being used to automate prioritize and execute military kill-chains.

Basically: Finda target, tell others about the target, assess nearby firepower capable of neutralizing the target, determine best course of action.

... all we have to do is cross that last step over into 'and then execute that course of action'.

All the drone warfare in Ukraine?

EM jamming and literally hacking the things or their CnC systems is an effective counter, in certain situations.

So, how do you counter that?

One solution is keep an actual thin wire, like a TOW missile, connecting the operator and the drone. Gotta be a real long wire though.

Other solution?

Make the drone fully autonomous once its been locked in to a specific plan.

Don't worry though, I'm sure Pete Hegseth will navigate this tightrope about as well as traffic stop line walk test.

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-04-10
#85 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Probably because you didn't go to Wharton.

Hey that's Trump's alma mater, ay-oooh!

https://www.linkedin.com/in/yutingyue

Anyway, if somebody actually has a LinkedIn account for some reason, please do share any more details.

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CmdrShepard49 sh.itjust.works CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-05
#86 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

How come some 25yo person is a director at Facebook?

This reminds me of my 25-year-old coworker who was laid off recently. I once had to take him to pickup a scuba suit from Enterprise after he'd forgotten it in the trunk, and about a month later, his bicycle from police impound after he'd chained it to some random businesses door one evening and forgot to come back and get it for several days. He'd also go out late every night and then regularly fall asleep at his desk.

He's a great guy but I can't imagine how someone that age becomes director of anything let alone one at a conpany with 75k employees and a market cap of $1.6T.

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Dultas lemmy.world Dultas@lemmy.world
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#87 · Quote Reply

The S in OpenClaw stands for security.

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Dultas lemmy.world Dultas@lemmy.world
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#88 · Quote Reply

Run? Like physically run? You install a server on your hardware without setting up remote access? Even plug and play one-click solutions like tailscale??

Wouldn't shock me if it locked that down. Or started changing passwords.

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criss_cross lemmy.world criss_cross@lemmy.world
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#89 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

If I was a director of AI safety I wouldn’t let openclaw within 100feet of anything. Let alone my work machine.

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PancakesCantKillMe lemmy.world PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world
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#90 · (edited) Quote Reply

There are two kinds of apologies. Customary, and Genuine. They're describing a genuine apology. You're describing a customary apology.

"'I'm sorry' and 'I apologize' mean the same thing, except when you're at a funeral"

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LiveLM lemmy.zip LiveLM@lemmy.zip
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#91 · Quote Reply

If I was a director of AI safety I wouldn’t let openclaw within 100feet of anything. Let alone my work machine.

If the Director of AI Safety is plugging code with extensive security flaws documented and reported into their real life inbox, imagine the Average Joe.

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LiveLM lemmy.zip LiveLM@lemmy.zip
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#92 · (edited) Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Am I going to end up being one of those long bearded magicians that still know the old technology, that still can still save the day by using shell commands?

More like the long bearded homeless guy because you aren't sycophantic enough to get hired by these fuck ass companies

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AbidanYre lemmy.world AbidanYre@lemmy.world
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#93 · Quote Reply

Okay but this is like the armoury master person shooting their own foot with a loaded gun when they were juggling guns.

Lee Paige has entered the chat

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LiveLM lemmy.zip LiveLM@lemmy.zip
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#94 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

It does things alright, the problem comes in the "not doing things" department

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LiveLM lemmy.zip LiveLM@lemmy.zip
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#95 · Quote Reply

Run? Like physically run? You install a server on your hardware without setting up remote access? Even plug and play one-click solutions like tailscale??

You'd think someone with such a high position would know better

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Uruanna lemmy.world Uruanna@lemmy.world
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#96 · Quote Reply

You'd think someone with such a high position would know better

No, you would not

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LiveLM lemmy.zip LiveLM@lemmy.zip
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#97 · (edited) Quote Reply

She's lucky all she got were some deleted emails.
Given how insecure this whole ordeal is and the fact that she gave it full access to her REAL Inbox, someone could have phished the ever living fuck out of her and Meta just by sending an email with malicious prompt written on white text or hiding messages zero-width characters and other wacky antics.
Real Looney Tunes shit, congratulations to all involved.

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[object Object] lemmy.ca panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
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#98 · Quote Reply

Lee Paige has entered the chat

Remarkably well composed after shooting himself

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NotASharkInAManSuit lemmy.world NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
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#99 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

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Art3mis lemmy.world ThunderQueen@lemmy.world
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#100 · (edited) Quote Reply

Branding and marketing is just building a cult these days.
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underscores lemmy.zip underscores@lemmy.zip
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#101 · (edited) Quote Reply

you can like... enforce this rule programatically? you don't have to say "pretty please" to ai? basically, when AI requests some potentially unwanted thing (like deleting an email), this request goes through a proxy that asks the human for confirmation. Also you can have a safe word set up in the chat interface to act as a killswitch. I thought these are ABCs of ai safety but apparently these a...

The people that design AI tools don't implement guardrails because then they'd have to admit AI is not ready for the shit they're trying to make

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