I think that really depends on the amount of tourists.

Nah travel is not that expensive and economic activity and connection makes everyone richer, literally. Don't be a whiny loser and live a bit.

Nah travel is not that expensive

Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to afford the luxuries you take for granted.

You'd think. But usually it's just one or two entitled pricks at the exact wrong time.

It's a myth that travel is expensive but if thats the case the ethics of tourism is the least of your worries.

Talk to some of the people who are paid to put up with you sometime. Ask them when the last time they had a vacation was. Ask them if they can afford to see a doctor. Ask them if they have insurance, a car, stable housing. And then tell them how great it is that travel is cheap and watch their eyes.

Yeah, the cost of travel is the least of my worries, because I actually have worries. And I don't need some privileged asshole telling me that.

I'll try to help.
Basically you were dismissive of everybody else's points of view.
Then gave your one anecdotal opinion about you growing up in your one town, and it being great
...then, and this is probably the crux of the matter, stated that pretty much everyone else are clueless losers. All because their experiences with tourists (who have been noted as shitty for many decades) weren't like yours.

You can definetely join public events. I was talking about taking picture of random people at the street and also littering problems, mainly.

There is also tourists who visit for "pickup artistry" and those guys pretty much always push it into sexual harrasment territory when rejected. Just wanted to mention that.

Nah the research is pretty clear here - tourism is almost pure good for most places. People just don't want to believe it because they're just hateful toxic losers of "get of my lawn" boomer kind.

Again I'm not saying tourism has no negative externalities but a good governing body can minimize it to almost nothing and it's much better than negative externalities from other industries like manufacturing or even farming.

1. The Impact of Tourism on Local Communities: A Literature Review of Socio-Economic Factors
   Shows how tourism increases income, employment, and infrastructure in host communities.
   https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373644263_The_Impact_of_Tourism_on_Local_Communities_A_Literature_Review_of_Socio-_Economic_Factors

2. Social Impacts of Tourism Perceived by Host Communities – A Review Paper (2021)
   Finds that tourism promotes cultural exchange, social cohesion, and improved public services.
   https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357139679_Social_Impacts_of_Tourism_Perceived_by_Host_Communities_-_A_Review_Paper

3. The Economic and Social Impacts of Ecotourism on Local Employment and Income (2025)
   Case study showing ecotourism boosts jobs and income in rural areas while supporting sustainability.
   https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1757780225000101

4. Tourism and Its Socio-Economic Impacts on Local Communities
   Demonstrates that tourism stimulates small businesses, improves infrastructure, and raises living standards.
   https://www.researchpublish.com/upload/book/Tourism and Its Socio-Economic-2434.pdf

5. The Role and Impact of Tourism on Local Economic Development
   Comparative study showing tourism contributes to GDP growth and helps reduce poverty.
   https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287645318_The_role_and_impact_of_tourism_on_local_economic_development_A_comparative_study

6. Exploring the Impacts of Tourism on the Well-Being of Residents in Host Communities (2025)
   Shows that tourism can improve residents' well-being, community pride, and access to better services.
   https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/17/13/5849

7. Tourism Development and Its Socio-Economic Impact on Local Communities
   Reviews evidence that tourism improves employment, diversifies income sources, and leads to infrastructure growth.
   https://www.geojournal.net/uploads/archives/6-2-9-955.pdf

8. The Social and Economic Impacts of Tourism Development on Local Community Satisfaction (2019)
   Finds residents perceive tourism as increasing economic opportunity and enhancing city services.
   https://www.sciepub.com/JCD/abstract/10306

9. Challenges and Opportunities in Local Sustainable Tourism: A Systematic Review (2025)
   Shows how community-based tourism preserves culture, empowers locals, and strengthens local economies.
   https://posthumanism.co.uk/jp/article/view/636

10. Role of Tourism in Sustainable Development (Oxford Research Encyclopedia)
    Explains how sustainable tourism supports economic growth, poverty reduction, and environmental conservation.
    https://oxfordre.com/environmentalscience/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780199389414.001.0001/acrefore-9780199389414-e-387

Somebody got a business degree from their local community college (no disrespect to community colleges, major disrespect to business majors). You're like a rich man telling the poor to count their blessings and pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Fuck off and maybe learn to read before you go trying to lecture me about how great living in a tourist economy is.

I read none of that. It's unimportant. You fixating on the tourism part isn't going to gloss over the other things. If you take tourism away and change it for, I don't know, carpets? Shower cubicles? Or cupcakes. Then you'd (probably) still be getting downvoted.

You asked what the problem is, and I gave it you. It's about you being arrogant about your personal point of view being the only correct way of looking at {insert thing here}, and also the calling everyone else clueless losers.
Either of those two things annoys people, you did both.

It’s a myth that travel is expensive

[Citation fucking needed]

He's a tourist. He thinks his abuse is doing people favors.

Again I’m not saying tourism has no negative externalities

But you are choosing to ignore them. The tourism industry is built on exploitation and that makes you happy.

Old women get thrown out of their homes so they can be rented to tourists, you know.

no anything

Well besides absolute shitloads of farms, which some correct people might consider less than glamorous but which still have to go somewhere - and which every developing nation also needs many of. Seriously, this is a deeply apples-to-things-that-aren't-apples comparison.

I once dealt with a hotel guest who was genuinely upset because shuttle service was suspended due to an active shooter across the street, and he had a tee time he was going to miss.

This is the sort of entitlement people in the service industry deal with every single day. I blame capitalism because it incentivizes this sort of behavior, but I do not absolve tourists.

They're fine, as long as they don't make more than 30% of the regions income.

Any quantity can be bad if you have to deal with them directly.

You only get the bad kind?

Get enough of the bad kind over a long enough time, and you stop seeing the good.

EDIT: In anyone.

Conflating two entirely different issues

Me: Provide 10 research papers
You: But I want to be angry at something for my own failures whaaaa.

Get blocked troll.

Traveled with nothing but a laptop and 500 usd per month around the world (while working too) but sure stay at home blame someone else for your failures.

Lmao what a troll

Oh no. I have one less tourist to interact with.

He knows. He considers homelessness to be a public good.

500 usd per month

What this guy considers cheap.

Nope started with nothing but thousands bucks and a laptop, traveled all around the world working remotely and saw how life changing tourism is all around the world and how many wonderful people work in tourism and most importantly how connecting tourism is in our society. You are free to disagree with me but I gain nothing for argueing in favor of tourism (I don't work in this niche) other than fight against this injustice and misinformation hateful losers spread online to justify their own bigotry.

Trickle down economics on Lemmy, Christ.

You seem surprised.

a good governing body can minimize it to almost nothing

Do those exist?
If not, what is the people to do?

I love how you don't dispute the "blind entitled fucktard" portion.

And rich people always try to pretend they're middle class when defending their behavior to the poor.

opens up niche areas like cultural preservation and ecology.

Niche, you say?

Take control of their society? This is lowest layer of existence - any industry under corrupt and broken layer will fail so it's entirely to discuss the effectiveness of tourism here.

No, one is the result of the other.
You're either a troll or a moron.
Bye.

They're mad at the same people you're mad at. They get yelled at by you because their boss did something mean to you.

Yea god forbid you don't want your town turned into a playground for wealthy foreigners. Yay! High rent and plenty of dead end service jobs

To be fair basing an entire economy around tourism tends to make a city shitty. I live in NYC and its a city that people actually live in with an actual economy, when tourists come they stick to the shitty parts that people here tend to avoid so they're mostly out of the way.

Don't you think you're being a little hyperbolic?

Landlords throw old lady's out of their homes, not tourists. Its always possible to build a shitton of housing like China, but then landlords would make less money.

About tourists, or about him in particular?

Because no to both.

Oh thank god the people who are being exploited can just do that! It's why we have a government that represents them and not moneyed interests!

Wow, please continue to tell the person living paycheck to paycheck, working in houseless services, living in tourist town, and has never had the money to even step foot outside of New England, how great tourism is. And you very much have stake in the game Mr. "I've travelled the world." You're literally the person the economy of these places is catering to.

Honestly, I was, a little. More surprised it wasn't immediately called out for what it was.

Talk to some of the people who are paid to put up with you sometime. Ask them when the last time they had a vacation was

Bali, like a month ago.

Ask them if they can afford to see a doctor

She's vietnamese, healthcare is so cheap there, and I think she qualifies for some level of national insurance.

Ask them if they have insurance, a car,

She has a CB1000 with a bluecard, somehow. Which is insane in vietnam for so many reasons.

stable housing

Yes.

This is atypical, for every person like hers in Hanoi, there's a situation like Sa Pa where 100K wealthier people moved in from other parts of vietnam, bought up the tourist land, and pretend to be local, while a good portion of the locals found making their kids beg is more profitable than anything else, and due to autonomy the government only seems to have power to stop this during school hours/nights.

The area I grew up was known for partying in the summer. Tourists would wander around local neighborhoods drunk af and piss in people’s front lawns without a care. They’d drive drunk and our cops hyped up on everyone as a result. The very first time I was pulled over was in such an area, allegedly for running a red light (I turned right, which is legal. So the cop changed gears and said I didn’t stop fully before turning. This was before dash cams were standard, so it was his word vs mine.)

He asked me three fucking times, “Have you been drinking? ARE YOU SURE?” I was like 18, on my way to work, and had yet to even touch an alcoholic drink in my life. I’d say he went from 0 to 11, but that’d be generous. He initiated the situation already determined that I was a criminal. Add on, the local police department building was on the same street we stopped on, so a crowd of officers ended up standing around watching us. The guy might have been putting on a show for his buddies. It was such an aggressive experience that afterwards, I pulled over somewhere and cried.

I know, I got off lucky with those American cops. I can’t imagine how it would’ve gone if I’d had a darker skintone. ACAB, but especially cops in tourist areas. They clock in with a bone to pick and a quota to fill.

Having jobs that require us to appear in-person makes us failures?

I work with children, it’s not like I can bring them with me to travel. It’s not a typical school either, it’s for autistic preschoolers and incorporates several types of therapy along with school-readiness for the older kids. Because of the medical aspects, we don’t have summer/spring/winter breaks, which could make the therapy less effective.

“But sure,” stay up on your high horse. Look at you, so much better than those of us who need to be in particular places in order to do our jobs. We’re all such losers for contributing to society in a different way. Weird, I thought travel was supposed to open people’s minds to different ways of living?

Citation needed.

Seasonal work pushes out other forms of employment. In my hometown, 50% of businesses are closed for 6 to 9 months of the year and basic necessities are overpriced by a major factor because of the tourists. You can literally drive over the bridges into the area and the price of gas drops 30 cents a gallon. It's called the Bridge Tax. Half of the housing or more is summer homes that are vacant most of the year when they aren't being rented out as short-term rentals like the 70% of all rental property. Rates of addiction and homelessness in the surrounding area are the highest in the state, and this is in a state where the capital city has a street literally called Methadone Mile. Outside of the tourist season there just isn't really anything to do except drink, and the infrastructure isn't built for the number of people during the tourist season, which makes it difficult for locals to do anything without dealing with major traffic. The tourists are also a major source of party drugs in the area. There are two major industries in the area: retirement homes and the service industry. So unless you're a nurse or similar profession, or are content to work mostly seasonal jobs at near minimum wage, there is little opportunity. There just isn't enough real estate for other businesses, and the real estate is largely too expensive anyway compared to locations a few hours away. It works out well for the migrant workers who come to work the service industry during the tourist season, but that just makes it even harder for locals to find a job. The locals have a saying: "Too poor to move, can't afford to stay."

In many of those areas, there isn't any other real industry.

And this is the crux of the issue people have with tourist towns as well. Tourism as an industry drives up CoL through inflated property values and increased prices for basic essentials but is a low wage industry.

An economy needs money to flow, but you need more than a low wage industry for a healthy area. Otherwise, you've basically just reinvented serfdom with a different product.

Oh most definitely...but you've got time to change if you choose. You can do it, champ, I believe in you!!!