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floofloof
lemmy.ca
floofloof@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
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Auster
thebrainbin.org
Auster@thebrainbin.orgJoined: 2024-10-28 |
You probably can't trust anything if it's compromised |
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floofloof
lemmy.ca
floofloof@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
You probably can't trust anything if it's compromised
Well the specific point here is that these companies claim that a server hack won't reveal your passwords since they're encrypted and decrypted on your local device so the server only sees the encrypted version. Apparently this isn't completely true. |
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tal
lemmy.today
tal@lemmy.todayJoined: 2023-10-04 |
You probably can't trust anything if it's compromised
Yeah, the title there really doesn't reflect the article text. It should be "you probably can't trust your password manager if the remote servers it uses are compromised". |
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ryper
lemmy.ca
ryper@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-07-07 |
Since the summary doesn't say which three popular password managers:
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redbrick
lemmy.world
redbrick@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-01 |
People really use these apps? I mean...here are all my passwords? ...just like that? Hell, my kids tutor wanted my bank account to withdraw each month. I said, 'fuck no...not unless we're banging each other every night with a prenup!' |
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DozensOfDonner
mander.xyz
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz Joined: 2023-06-02 |
People really use these apps? I mean...here are all my passwords? ...just like that? Hell, my kids tutor wanted my bank account to withdraw each month. I said, 'fuck no...not unless we're banging each other every night with a prenup!'
Your tutor asked for access... To your bank account? |
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MajinBlayze
lemmy.world
MajinBlayze@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-09 |
Your tutor asked for access... To your bank account?
What's a |
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chocrates
piefed.world
chocrates@piefed.world Joined: 2025-07-08 |
Bitwarden. Shit. |
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Toes♀
ani.social
Toes@ani.socialJoined: 2023-09-28 |
Did you know water is wet? |
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cannedtuna
lemmy.world
cannedtuna@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
Bitwarden. Shit.
Which in turn is based off of KeePass, right? So double shit? |
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DigDoug
lemmy.world
DigDoug@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
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shortwavesurfer
lemmy.zip
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zipJoined: 2024-01-08 |
Breaking news, rain is wet. |
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shortwavesurfer
lemmy.zip
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zipJoined: 2024-01-08 |
I store my passwords on a flash drive with KeepassXC. How about you compromise that server... Oh wait a minute, no server? |
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CubitOom
infosec.pub
CubitOom@infosec.pubJoined: 2023-06-08 |
https://www.passwordstore.org/ |
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deceiver
infosec.pub
deceiver@infosec.pub Joined: 2025-03-22 |
Which in turn is based off of KeePass, right? So double shit?
no, Bitwarden isn’t “based off” anything |
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skrlet13
feddit.cl
skrlet13@feddit.clJoined: 2023-06-12 |
I suggest KeepassXC, I like it. Can use it with TOTP too |
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COASTER1921
lemmy.ml
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-10-05 |
Bitwarden. Shit.
These attacks are more around the encryption and all require a fully malicious server. It sounds like Bitwarden is taking these seriously and personally I'd still strongly prefer it to any closed source solution where there could be many more unknown but undiscovered security concerns. Using a local solution is always most secure, but imo you should first ask yourself if you trust your own security practices and whether you have sufficient hardware redundancy to be actually better. I managed to lose the private key to some Bitcoin about a decade ago due to trying to be clever with encryption and local redundant copies. Further, with the prevalence of 2FA even if their server was somehow fully compromised as long as you use a different authenticator app than Bitwarden you're not at major risk anyways. With how poorly the average person manages their password security this hurdle alone is likely enough to stop all but attacks targeted specifically at you as an individual. |
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eodur
piefed.social
eodur@piefed.social Joined: 2025-08-27 |
Bitwarden. Shit.
Thats really disappointing. At least the selfhosted version means it would have to be a heavily targeted attack. |
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eodur
piefed.social
eodur@piefed.social Joined: 2025-08-27 |
Bitwarden says all issues have already been addressed. https://bitwarden.com/blog/security-through-transparency-eth-zurich-audits-bitwarden-cryptography/ |
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floofloof
lemmy.ca
floofloof@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Bitwarden says all issues have already been addressed. https://bitwarden.com/blog/security-through-transparency-eth-zurich-audits-bitwarden-cryptography/
Yes, although it sounds like they haven't finished fixing some of them:
Edit: https://bitwarden.com/assets/Kki4W785JIPOdFj6EeWB5/1e74e924febb4c6a5ad03eed23b92d23/pwmgr_paper__1_-combined%C3%82__1_.pdf |
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Victor
lemmy.world
victorz@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-11-14 |
Bitwarden says all issues have already been addressed. https://bitwarden.com/blog/security-through-transparency-eth-zurich-audits-bitwarden-cryptography/
Ah, great, thank you! Carrying on... |
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fonix232
fedia.io
fonix232@fedia.io Joined: 2023-06-13 |
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How do you recommend people sync between devices? What about devices that, for security reasons, do not allow flash drives or any external device to be plugged in? |
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chocrates
piefed.world
chocrates@piefed.world Joined: 2025-07-08 |
These attacks are more around the encryption and all require a fully malicious server. It sounds like Bitwarden is taking these seriously and personally I'd still strongly prefer it to any closed source solution where there could be many more unknown but undiscovered security concerns. Using a local solution is always most secure, but imo you should first ask yourself if you trust your own secu...
I don't have the self hosting maturity to share my db across my devices yet. I need to get on that. |
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thyristor
lemmy.pt
thyristor@lemmy.ptJoined: 2021-11-23 |
How do you recommend people sync between devices? What about devices that, for security reasons, do not allow flash drives or any external device to be plugged in?
I have my keepass file in a samba share on my raspberry pi running wireguard. But it's easier just using nextcloud. Anyway, the file is encrypted. |
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Petter1
discuss.tchncs.de
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2025-07-01 |
I suggest KeepassXC, I like it. Can use it with TOTP too
Yess! |
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Petter1
discuss.tchncs.de
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2025-07-01 |
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And keepass is perfectly cloud ready by placing the kdbx file into your cloud storage and sync using webDav or similar. |
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Grandwolf319
sh.itjust.works
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-24 |
Anyone got a good suggestion for a self hosted option? Ideally one that has a good iOS app and a web interface. |
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DigDoug
lemmy.world
DigDoug@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
How do you recommend people sync between devices? What about devices that, for security reasons, do not allow flash drives or any external device to be plugged in?
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baronvonj
piefed.social
baronvonj@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-10 |
Anyone got a good suggestion for a self hosted option? Ideally one that has a good iOS app and a web interface.
You can self-host Bitwarden. Or there's the Vaultwarden implementation of the Bitwarden API. |
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Grandwolf319
sh.itjust.works
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-24 |
You can self-host Bitwarden. Or there's the Vaultwarden implementation of the Bitwarden API.
Built on rust you say??? |
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AbidanYre
lemmy.world
AbidanYre@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
I don't have the self hosting maturity to share my db across my devices yet. I need to get on that.
With vault/bitwarden the client handles that sharing for you. |
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AbidanYre
lemmy.world
AbidanYre@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
I store my passwords on a flash drive with KeepassXC. How about you compromise that server... Oh wait a minute, no server?
As long as your copy isn't a trojan. https://cybersecuritynews.com/hackers-weaponize-keepass-password-manager/ |
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🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕠𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖
hilariouschaos.com
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.comJoined: 2025-02-09 |
Since the summary doesn't say which three popular password managers: As one of the most popular alternatives to Apple and Google's own password managers, which together dominate the market, the researchers found Bitwarden was most susceptible to attacks, with 12 working against the open-source product. Seven distinct attacks worked against LastPass, and six succeeded in Dashlane.
Anything against keepass |
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just_another_person
lemmy.world
just_another_person@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-07 |
You take the good, you take the bad, There's a time you got to go and show When the world never seems |
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boatswain
infosec.pub
boatswain@infosec.pub Joined: 2023-06-18 |
How do you recommend people sync between devices? What about devices that, for security reasons, do not allow flash drives or any external device to be plugged in?
Syncthing is great for syncing things like keepass dbs |
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NeryK
sh.itjust.works
NeryK@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-30 |
How do you recommend people sync between devices? What about devices that, for security reasons, do not allow flash drives or any external device to be plugged in?
KeePass features a built-in synchronization mechanism. I store my password file on google drive for ease of access on multiple devices. I set up triggers (on save, on custom button) to sync between the local copy and the cloud copy, using this guide: https://keepass.info/help/kb/trigger_examples.html#dbsync Not a turnkey solution, but once setup it works like a charm. |
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sem
piefed.blahaj.zone
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-09-04 |
Since the summary doesn't say which three popular password managers: As one of the most popular alternatives to Apple and Google's own password managers, which together dominate the market, the researchers found Bitwarden was most susceptible to attacks, with 12 working against the open-source product. Seven distinct attacks worked against LastPass, and six succeeded in Dashlane.
Next do proton pass |
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AliasAKA
lemmy.world
AliasAKA@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-04 |
Yes, although it sounds like they haven't finished fixing some of them: All issues have been addressed by Bitwarden. Seven of which have been resolved or are in active remediation by the Bitwarden team. The remaining three issues have been accepted as intentional design decisions necessary for product functionality. Edit: There's more information about the specific threats and remediation steps...
Looking through, it seems like for the most part these are very niche and/or require the user to be using SSO or enterprise recovery options and/or try to change and rotate keys or resync often. I think few people using this for personal would be interacting with that attack surface or accepting organizational invites, but it is serious for organizations (probably why they’re trying quickly to address this). Honestly I think a server being incognito controlled and undetected in bitwardens fleet while also performing these attacks is, unlikely? Certainly less likely than passwords being stolen from individual site hacks or probably even banks. Like at that point, it would just be easier to do these types of manipulations directly on bank accounts or crypto wallets or email accounts than here, but then again, if you crack a wallet like this you get theoretically all the goodies to those too I suppose, for a possibly short time (assuming the user wasn’t using 2FA that wasn’t email based as well). Not to mitigate these issues. They need to fix them, just trying to ascertain how severe and if individual users should have much cause for concern. |
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unhrpetby
sh.itjust.works
unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-02-17 |
You probably can't trust anything if it's compromised
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baronvonj
piefed.social
baronvonj@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-10 |
Built on rust you say???
I did not, in fact, say. But they did say that, yes. |
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fonix232
fedia.io
fonix232@fedia.io Joined: 2023-06-13 |
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So, absolutely no difference in security compared to having a properly secured self-hosted VaultWarden instance. Gotcha. |
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fonix232
fedia.io
fonix232@fedia.io Joined: 2023-06-13 |
I have my keepass file in a samba share on my raspberry pi running wireguard. But it's easier just using nextcloud. Anyway, the file is encrypted.
At that point, why bother with the setup of samba shares and nextcloud or syncthing or whatever else and not use VaultWarden with its built in sync over WireGuard/TailScale? |
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W98BSoD
lemmy.dbzer0.com
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-01-30 |
I don't have the self hosting maturity to share my db across my devices yet. I need to get on that.
If it’s critical, don’t self host it. It’s not worth it. I know people will argue; I just need something that works and that I don’t have to worry about patching. |
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W98BSoD
lemmy.dbzer0.com
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-01-30 |
Syncthing is great for syncing things like keepass dbs
Works on iOS? |
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underisk
lemmy.ml
underisk@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Bitwarden is a zero-knowledge encryption password manager. This means that Bitwarden as a company cannot see your passwords. They remain encrypted end-to-end with your individual email and Master Password. Bitwarden never stores and cannot access your Master Password.
-- from the paper the article is discussing So you could potentially expose your passwords to a compromised server or some kind of MITM. If they meet the conditions for the validation check, anyway. |
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cecilkorik
piefed.ca
cecilkorik@piefed.ca Joined: 2025-06-07 |
KeePass features a built-in synchronization mechanism. I store my password file on google drive for ease of access on multiple devices. I set up triggers (on save, on custom button) to sync between the local copy and the cloud copy, using this guide: https://keepass.info/help/kb/trigger_examples.html#dbsync Not a turnkey solution, but once setup it works like a charm.
Sadly this functionality is not included in KeepassXC, so I continue to use the original Keepass for this reason, but I agree, my setup is the same and I'm very happy with it. |
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Pratai
piefed.ca
Pratai@piefed.ca Joined: 2026-02-12 |
You probably can't trust anything if it's compromised
Are you trying to say the front fell off? |
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lightnsfw
reddthat.com
lightnsfw@reddthat.com Joined: 2023-08-15 |
Yess! I store the keepass vault on my nextcloud On iOS and macOS, I use Strongbox pro (one time purchase), as it integrates beautifully into the apple ecosystem using its APIs. On linux and windows free KeepassXC with browser plug-ins On Android I use the free keePassDX which, like strongbox, uses the android APIs for passwords
Same. My password database never touches a server I don't own and my keyfile is manually copied between my devices and stored separately from the database file. |
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「黃家駒 Wong Ka Kui」(old account, migrated to Piefed)
sh.itjust.works
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2025-06-23 |
Keepass, upload the database file to random free cloud accounts after making changes to the database. This is foulproof as long as the end-user device doesn't get hacked, right? Edit: Did I say something wrong? Why downvotes? Database file are encrypted, even if someone gets it, its encrypted and they don't have your password. So its basically safe to upload your database. If you think I'm wrong then explain why I can't use free cloud accounts to store an encrypted file? |
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Matt
lemdro.id
Matt@lemdro.id Joined: 2023-07-08 |
Works on iOS?
There is Synctrain and Möbius Sync. They are not perfect due to iOS restrictions on apps running in the background, but they work well enough as long as I occasionally open them to make sure they sync. |
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