Give the people someone to hate…

That's not going to be the key to forgiveness buddy. You don't get one at all in fact.

Sounds like a mostly reasonable person.

Yes, the Democrats will win a majority somewhere in November. They're currently up 14% over Republicans nationally and that is rig-proof, blue wave territory. I don't see them making any major changes though, and they're probably salivating at the thought of the money they can make for themselves now that it's okay to insider trade AND insider-gamble on crypto and prediction markets.

A few will give some memorable, impassioned speeches before pulling the lever to insider trade, though.

Their strategy of lying down (and/or collaborating) and letting Donald jump off a cliff has worked, and sadly, to the detriment of all. I wish these bastards had actually opposed something.

No, I disagree. People can do horrible things, but forgiveness is our humanity. If they truly are sorry, I will forgive them. If they recognize the damage they did, and how their views hurt other people, I will forgive them.

They can't earn forgiveness by just asking for it, they need to back up their words with action. This guy is directly responsible for thousands if not millions of displaced and/or lost lives. Go ahead buddy, we're watching

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they're probably salivating at the thought of the money they can make for themselves now that it's okay to insider trade AND insider-gamble on crypto and prediction markets.

That kinda took a weird turn, but okay.

A few will give some memorable, impassioned speeches before pulling the lever to insider trade, though.

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but forgiveness is our humanity

You're talking about people who absolutely not only do not see it that way but will actively use that against you as a weakness. This shit is leftover because of "forgiveness" that started after the civil war wasn't punished enough and several times after including but by no means limited to actual literal Nazis.

No. No forgiveness. That wishy washy shit got us in this mess.

That's why I included that they need to realize it.

What do we want? Him to sell his house and give the money to the local food bank? Or maybe injure himself, or attack some elected MAGAt? What’s the going price?

I’d approve any of the above but honest world-view changing is kind of hard to see sometimes. I assume money and action are involved.

I think the point is that America really needs a strong overhaul to prevent something like Trump happening again, but there are not enough Democrats that are motivated by changing the status quo rather than increasing their personal wealth/power.

The caller, who identified as Thomas from Hawaii, told host Taylor Popielarzthat he now regrets his votes for Trump.

“It’s hard for me to say this,” Thomas said. “But I think if I can open up about it in public that it might help others. I wanted to believe Trump was the real deal for a long time — even though I had doubts because I knew enough about his business history to think otherwise. But now I regret my support for him, and I should’ve known better. He’s making it plain as day. He’s a con man, a liar, doesn’t keep his promises. He’s in office all for himself and he doesn’t even try to hide his corruption anymore.”

Thomas added, “He’s the worst president we’ve ever had and he’s the most corrupt president we’ve ever had. I know it’s hard, it took me a while to be able to say that. Very difficult when you commit yourself to believing in somebody.

Popielarz asked Thomas whether he’d voted for Trump in 2016, 2020 and 2024 — and Thomas confirmed that he had. The host followed up by asking what was “the straw that broke the camel’s back” for Thomas.

“I don’t think it’s one thing, it’s been a cumulative process,” Thomas said. “And it’s gotten so blatant now…He was gonna lower prices on day one, he was gonna do this on day one, only he could fix all this stuff. And now I understand how somebody like Adolf Hitler was able to brainwash millions of people. I never I thought I’d see that again in my lifetime. But it’s happened, right? I thought we got past that, but we don’t learn from history.”

You can't earn it if people already decided you can't earn it. Don't forgive them now, obviously, but saying they cannot earn it is how you create desperation in people that pushes them towards another extreme.

The only thing I could respect is twofold, first that they realize it to the point they understand they shouldn't be making decisions more important than what they want for breakfast, second is that they work diligently for the rest of their traitorous miserable livres to atone for actual deaths their stupidity directly caused.

Nothing short of that is sufficient to even suffer their presence. Enough is enough.

This is what genuine intelligence looks like. This man was able to look inward, admit he was misled and made a mistake and tries to correct it while learning something in the process.

Too bad half the country is dumber than this.

Not at all.

The backlash against Minneapolis was bipartisan, at least among the people. The backlash to the war is even more mainstream. Donald's popularity is even worse than that of Jimmy Carter, so a significant percentage of people who voted Republican are likely to flip or simply not vote in the next election.

The problem is that people who voted Republican, admit it, and then affirm publicly they're going to vote differently have the fingers of Democratic partisans (And hypocritically, at that, given their support of genocide) wagging in their face, and people are more likely to not vote at all than to vote for someone who outwardly and purposely hates them despite their change of heart.

He said he's sorry, and I'm sure all Trump's concentration camp victims will be glad to hear it!

When an alcoholic sets about seeking forgiveness, they're supposed to go around to the people they've wronged and apologize. They're also supposed to recognize that they make poor alcohol choices and need to give it up.

Maybe the MAGA people could recognize that they make poor political choices and give up their voting and their activism.

Like, I try to think how I would react if I made a choice so monumentally bad that thousands of people died, people were tortured, or an entire national economy thrown into disarray. There's no reparation I could pay to compensate; no sacrifice I could make to balance the scale. That's kind of the point of forgiveness: the wounded party has not been made whole, maybe can not be made whole, but accepts that trying to wring compensation out of the offender will only make another injured party. But there's still the question of how to keep the offender from doing it again.

The most dangerous enemy is the one with nowhere to retreat.

Yeah. That's us now. They don't get to be the aggressor for decades and then cry victim when we've had enough of their bullshit.

^ This. America needs a Teddy, FDR or La Terreur.

He’s a Hawaiian, no?
Isn't there a billionaire that stole reserved land for himself that he can show solidarity for?

It's one thing to be able to introspect.
It’s another to reflect, and take actions directly opposing the Nazis.

I mostly listened to the video on the site. That didn't strike me as a real person on the other end of that call.

Op is notorious for criticism of Democrats. Even my cynicism can't keep up.

Weirdly there aren't enough dedicated voters or candidates to primary them either.

Yep. And given how society is, you'd be stupid not to take one that has seen the light and changed their vote or actually started voting.

Sadly we don't have the luxury of casting out everyone we deem unfit.

Yup. I do too. :pain:

Yes, there will be.

Your social media algorithm may be sensationalizing things to keep you engaged, but after Minnesota, any hope of a coup is gone, because Minnesota taught the authoritarians that they didn't have a mandate to go full Gestapo. It also taught them that trying would not only piss off Democrats, but also fracture their own power base and create resistance among Republicans, which is why they're speedrunning their grift on order to maximize the financial returns before the window closes and they have to pretend they care about ethics again.

Hell, CBP killed two people in Minneapolis and all it did was motivate more people to get out into the streets, people wearing both colors of jerseys, not unlike how Nazis trying to batter Warsaw into submission created the most metal resistance movement of WWII.

November is going to be a bloodbath. The only downer is that Democrats don't actually oppose anything, so the extent to which it will matter is debatable. That fact, more than anything, should be comforting to you if you're honestly afraid of canceled elections.

If you live in the US and have ever wondered what you would have done in the shoes of an equivalent German citizen leading up to the 30s, wonder no longer: you're doing it right now.

One day everyone will have been against this

Yeah. There’s a new sentence at the bottom now that kinda ties it up better. I too would prefer a badass karate-kicking Democratic party. Since Iraq War I they’ve been a mix of a little firey and at lot lame.

(It is primary season, just, as an aside.) But fuck me even Reagan republicans wouldn’t have thrown everything in the toilet in eight months. (Unless they did cause yes they’re all old).

Politics is boring and when it’s not people get all upset. Governance shouldn’t have to be so pro-wrestling.

I'm taking a shit, just like my German ancestors did?

I feel like there's far less beer and kraut in my diet...

Better late than never. Next step is realising that Trump didn’t get where he is alone, and nothing would change if he were to die tomorrow. The problem is deeper than that.

They already are. And they were.

They were lied to.

That's why Donald is polling lower than Jimmy Carter.

I'm actually impressed. It's incredibly difficult to leave an identity cult without professional help. The guy is genuinely an inspiration and I hope others that heard him will also be inspired.

AOC

Frankly at this point I just want these people to start voting Democrat. Not because they're particularly good but because that would clearly demonstrate that they understand how wrong they were

You're in the wrong community it seems. This is a hate community towards Trump lol

Shows just how rigged the system is against the average person. We can see from Mamdani that you need an exciting candidate first and foremost, then the voter support comes after naturally. People need to feel excited to vote in a system where they feel their voices aren't being heard.

Yes, the three time Trump voter. Genuine intelligence. Give me a break.

The intelligence here is the ability for this person to change their core beliefs after seeing, and accepting, facts.

It matters less how long it took for them to get here, and more that they are here now

I'd say it matters quite a lot that it took them this long to get there. Quite a lot indeed.

These people should be banned from polite society and be glad that's all.

Get fucked, Johnny come lately. That's all been obvious since 2015. You weren't brainwashed, you're just a Nazi who got conned.

Funnily enough in Germany the far right party looks like it's set to win the next major election in a few years. If we start another world war in the 30s you were warned. But I also know I would not have done shit to prevent it

I don't think people are so much doubting his intelligence as doubting the sincerity of his about-face?

Is he against Trump because he's become enlightened, and wishes to renounce all the bigoted ideals Trump championed?

Or has Trump's deranged rampage personally hurt him more than he could tolerate? And now he wants a more placid ride?

It's hard to say. And I'm not very willing to let a fascist get away scot-free, even if a few reformed racists have to suffer the social consequences of their actions in the meanwhile. It's not charitable, sure. But fascism is a disease and you don't eradicate a disease by being charitable when quarantining.

If it takes a decade to see and accept facts it's no so much intelligence as an accidental brain neuron firing.

This guy is not for real. No Trump voter knows how to use the word “cumulative.”

Her position on Israel even after months of Genocide (voting twice to keep on giving "defensive" help to Israel, though later she changed that position) leaves me with a feeling that she doesn't have strength of principle: when a country has already murdered so many babies that the list of babies 1 year old or younger murdered by Israel in Gaza in just the first 3 months of the Genocide is 17 pages long, nobody with even the most basic moral and principles who has the strength to stand by them, will vote for any support for that country in any way, form or shape - wrapped with a "for defense" wrapping paper or otherwise - quite the opposite.

Even if she is honestly a good person (which I do hope she is), somebody with such willingness and capability to ignore maybe one of the strongest moral compulsions there is (that one has against the murder or children and those who would do it) that they vote twice to support a baby-mass-murdering nation whilst they are activelly mass murdering babies, even if she trully believe it was only for their "defense" (which would also make her an idiot, since if "defense" is taken care of by the US, it frees Israeli military resources for more mass murdering and makes then unafraid of reprisals so they're even more extreme in their mass murdering, which was EXACTLY what happenned) doesn't have the strength of moral and principles of, for example, a Teddy Roosevelt.

Surely there's nothing in your life that took you a while to understand? Statements like yours always come off as elitist, and its hard to imagine you'd hold yourself to the same standard.

No no no...

How long it took them to get here was really fucking important.