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Post: "Last minutes of 'Che Guevara''s life". Picture of Che Guevara. Comments: "He was a communist" - "he was a socialist" - "No he was a communist" - "socialism is the goal, communism is the way to reach it"
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FrankFrankson lemmy.world FrankFrankson@lemmy.world
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Communism is an extreme form of Socialism and every Communist country has devolved into fascist capitalism so no Communism is not how you get to Socialism.

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astropenguin5 lemmy.world astropenguin5@lemmy.world
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Average Internet leftist discussion

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stollen lemmy.dbzer0.com stollen@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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"Socialism is the goal, communism is the way to reach it" is actually what a lot of MLs seem to secretly believe in the sense that they want to use the appeal of communism to motivate people to create socialism. I have seen very little interest from them in actually building communism.

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Arcanepotato crazypeople.online Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online
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Average Internet leftist discussion

Yes, because the joke is that the actual sentiment is that communism is the goal and socialism is a potential way to make the transition easier. See: The State and Revolution, chapter V.

ETA: completing the thought: and "internet leftists" are not interested in actually understanding the writing of historical figures.

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astropenguin5 lemmy.world astropenguin5@lemmy.world
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Yes, because the joke is that the actual sentiment is that communism is the goal and socialism is a potential way to make the transition easier. See: The State and Revolution, chapter V. ETA: completing the thought: and "internet leftists" are not interested in actually understanding the writing of historical figures.

Yes, I understood that. My joke was that internet leftists often engage in stupid arguments with themselves and have clashing ideas of what is 'right'.

(Example A: this discussion lmao)

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Arcanepotato crazypeople.online Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online
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Yes, I understood that. My joke was that internet leftists often engage in stupid arguments with themselves and have clashing ideas of what is 'right'. (Example A: this discussion lmao)

Yikes I did the thing where I replied to what looked like the most relevant comment but wasn't necessarily replying to that individual. Sorry 😐

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astropenguin5 lemmy.world astropenguin5@lemmy.world
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Yikes I did the thing where I replied to what looked like the most relevant comment but wasn't necessarily replying to that individual. Sorry 😐

Ah, all good lmao
Tbh was a decent comment just not in reply to me 😅

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Luminous5481 "Enemy of the State" anarchist.nexus Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus
Joined: 2025-12-23
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that apostrophe is bugging the shit out of me

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therealdries lemmy.dbzer0.com therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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"Socialism is the goal, communism is the way to reach it" is actually what a lot of MLs seem to secretly believe in the sense that they want to use the appeal of communism to motivate people to create socialism. I have seen very little interest from them in actually building communism.

I have seen very little interest from them in actually building communism.

Or even socialism, for that matter - despite the fact that they had oodles of time and resources to do it.

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Malyca lemmy.zip Malyca@lemmy.zip
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🤔

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solidheron sh.itjust.works solidheron@sh.itjust.works
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So is the author saying Che Guevara didn't exist?

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-04-10
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So is the author saying Che Guevara didn't exist?

That was what I noticed as well, scare quotes atound his name as if he was a vague or fantastical concept.

The Facebook Boomer form of grammar is fascinatingly stupid.

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solidheron sh.itjust.works solidheron@sh.itjust.works
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That was what I noticed as well, scare quotes atound his name as if he was a vague or fantastical concept. The Facebook Boomer form of grammar is fascinatingly stupid.

Yeah but if I believed in scary quote then I'd think everyone would get scared if I said "lacked good hygiene ritual"

But my next thought was they believe the person in the picture was doubted to be Che. Maybe that adds fantastical element of Che living on and orchestrating events presumably to this day

But the author was being petty

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Jarix lemmy.world Jarix@lemmy.world
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Yeah but if I believed in scary quote then I'd think everyone would get scared if I said "lacked good hygiene ritual" But my next thought was they believe the person in the picture was doubted to be Che. Maybe that adds fantastical element of Che living on and orchestrating events presumably to this day But the author was being petty

Che isn't his name it's a nickname. I think they're using quotation in the sense of naming convention Ernesto "Che" Guevara would normally be used to denote it is a nick name and not part of his legal name.

I'm old though and reading things with continually common grammar from the last few centuries until the modern digital era has started changing things isn't a problem for me to figure out from the context it's written in unlike those people who are bothered by "scare quotes" that havent been reading things since before the internet existed

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ironycanal lemmy.dbzer0.com ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Yikes I did the thing where I replied to what looked like the most relevant comment but wasn't necessarily replying to that individual. Sorry 😐

Never apologize. Coward.

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ironycanal lemmy.dbzer0.com ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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So is the author saying Che Guevara didn't exist?

No he did and still does. I've seen photos of him running around south America doing first aid in the jungle, but they were all very blurry.

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ironycanal lemmy.dbzer0.com ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#18 · (edited) Quote Reply

That was what I noticed as well, scare quotes atound his name as if he was a vague or fantastical concept. The Facebook Boomer form of grammar is fascinatingly stupid.

Personally I'm a Che truther. He really does exist. A friend of mine found some of his poop once near a recently quenched campfire in Chile.

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solidheron sh.itjust.works solidheron@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-12-29
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No he did and still does. I've seen photos of him running around south America doing first aid in the jungle, but they were all very blurry.

Should get those ai enhanced, but it's good to hear che working with big foot to help those having trouble in the jungle

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