the security not close, but its already a big leap from stock rom, and most likely dont need to waste money on a pixel.

A while ago they announced they were planning a collaboration with a big phone brand

Wao 🤣

I know you can buy used and refurbished actually, that's how I got my pixel. It's still buying a Google phone. It still breaks free from Google. You have now reached the point of just regular old illiteracy I guess

You do you. I stand by my principals and don't feel the need to pretend I'm some sort of Jason Bourne.

Weird how now that Google went quarterly with their older device updates... it's suddenly just not the big deal the GOS folks used as a hammer, with their ad nauseum attacks on other privacy projects. Back then I could smell their overhyped, overplayed security scare marketing tactics from a mile away. As it turns out, I was right.

Not having any google crap in my household? Absoltely priceless

They are offering free classes for seniors to teach them how to use the apps.

https://www.finextra.com/newsarticle/35627/lloyds-to-provide-free-digital-skills-training-and-tablets-for-elderly-customers

If you don't value security, that's fine, but one does not need to be Jason Bourne to want a secure device. Also, privacy ≠ security.

Doesn't matter if it's at the beginning or end of the pipeline. It's feeding the demand.

I have a second hand Pixel for GrapheneOS to compromise without being compromised. Was degoogled with Lineage for many years, but it was becoming too much of a problem. I'm not happy owning literally a Google phone. Felt I had no choice.

Really, regulators are needed to sort this out. Consumer choice doesn't work with dualopy.

And competition law enforced. Consumer choice doesn't work when it's a stitched up market like this.

If you are willing to believe that google of all people don't have backdoors into their own first party hardware, you do you.

I actually quite like it. The bank is called Monzo and the app is well presented. Support is fast and I hardly ever go to the bank anyway. Post offices play the role for cash and cheque deposits.

If you don't mind disclosing, what bank is that?

sorry, I think I was confusing bank transfers with credit card transactions.

I don't doubt that in the future Google will kill off the AOSP and disable installing custom ROMs like Apple does. But it just isn't accurate to say that in 200 days sideloading on GOS won't work or that Google disabling sideloading on their ROM even affects GOS in any way.

I don't see how spreading FUD and being misinformed are exclusive. I didn't say he was doing so in bad faith, just stating that the comment created fear, uncertainty and doubt without any factual basis.

To be fair Wikipedia does say it is a manipulative propaganda tactic but I've usually meant it in the abovementioned context.

I care more about privacy and freedom.

It's the Romanian Commercial Bank founded to take over the commercial banking operations of the National Bank of Romania in 1990.

Graphene has that too tho. Not sure how /e/OS is more private or free.

Oh, so now we're just making stuff up now with zero evidence. Gotcha.

I don't have any issues. I also deleted MicroG so have 0% google nonsense. If I need to make a transaction, I have a Linux laptop for that. One could get a FF6 and still make transaction with MicroG.

Fool me once ...

This is google. They have a track record of spying on anybody and everybody through whatever means available. The burden of proof is with them, at least as far as I'm concerned. You can do what you want, but I won't buy anything with their name on it.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

GrapheneOS is just great. 2 weeks into it and it works soo good.

Okay, in that case, I would just buy a very cheap second device and have your primary one using a privacy system such as graphene and then use a secondary one that you never turn on except for doing that kind of stuff.

That way, at least your primary system is isolated from the rootkit that is things like Google Play Services.

That’s great, I still need primary on the phone with backup on the watch.

I have not encountered a place that doesn’t accept Apple Pay since I stopped going to Walmart years ago.

Sounds like it's time to find a new bank then.

I bought mine from Telus .. so i would think Telus gave them the money a long time ago for said phone and i'm just giving Telus back their money .. now i'm not giving money or data to anyone.

what phone did you buy then and how did you get rid of and or block google play services?

'not significant', right.

Ideally we'll eventually switch to a Mobile Linux OS in the future, such as postmarketOS, as that would not be beholden to corporate decisions like Android is with Google.

Which phone works completely on postmarketos? Looks like only librem5, which are expensive, especially for the spec.

No Linux OS currently supports many models of phones, and the ones it does support, it is still quite janky and not ready for a general audience (calling is often flakey, phone apps are pretty glitchy, etc). The best we can do at the moment is either donate toward those projects with either money or code (if someone is able to) to help get more hands on it to polish it up and expand support for more phones.

GrapheneOS is currently the only really polished privacy respecting mobile option that the average user can realistically adopt.

I'm pretty paranoid myself, so your logic checks out.

Well, I installed Play Store and Services from the Graphene App Store. Unfortunately my banking app must be installed from Play and needs services, but that's really the only reason.

For most of the Play Store apps, it's really a good alternative. However. some apps require to be installed from Play Store, like banking apps, but for everything else, it works fine.

I wish Graphene was friends with anyone else but stupid Google.

GOS just partnered up with Motorola/Lenovo a couple days ago.