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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
Hi, I wanted to contact the owner/administrator of a website. Unfortunately, they didn't provide any means of contact ( email, phone number, online form, simpleX whatsoever). So the only alternative that I had thought was to create a Mastodon account and publish an open communication with them tagged. Unfortunately, to create a Mastodon account, you have to provide an email š§ address š So the workaround is to create a new email address dedicated just for that usage or service. But it's becoming merely impossible to create a free email account somewhere without giving up your identity. (phone number, ISP[^1] email address, paying online with Fiat[^2] , Cloudflare or whatever trick ) I've seen already few posts about this subject on lemmy and other platforms
some quote from those links
All the providers listed around the WWW are wrong ! See the table below \ Do not hesitate to propose any other, or maybe you have another solution ? Like self hosting email service ? I already dig up a little bit, but I found this and it looks scary. Thank you GAFAM... So maybe it doesn't look like much? But actually, it's blocking me more and more. I cannot move/interact on internet or in real life ! because I get often "You have to register online" and that registration come with mandatory email.. Where I live, you better stay anonymous. Because what you say can definitely strike back to you. There is no freedom of speech. Please help to make internet free again. Because we need it in our daily life and social interactions... Thanks mailboxā¢org š¤
disrootā¢com ā
gmxā¢com ā
inleedā¢com ā
mailoā¢com ā
mailfenceā¢com ā
protonā¢me ā
tutaā¢com ā
[^1]: Internet Service Provider |
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slazer2au
lemmy.world
slazer2au@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
It's almost like email providers dont want spammers to create accounts and send unsolicited emails to people with their service. Not that I think you will. To receive an email you can run your own mail server if you have a domain because DMRK, SPF, and DKIM are all about authentication of emails that have been sent. |
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whatiswrongwithyou
lemmy.ml
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-05-07 |
Uhh, proton works fine⦠You might need to clear your browsing data. You might want to start doing that all the time if youāre concerned about anonymity or privacy. |
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IratePirate
feddit.org
IratePirate@feddit.org Joined: 2026-02-02 |
I ran into the same problem recently and gave up. (You were much more persistent / stubborn than me; thanks for compiling the above list!) All major providers prevent you from registering anonymously because they don't want to have their services abused by spammers and scammers. Your best bet might be to get a VoIP number (not one of those public ones, but a paid one just for yourself), possibly paid with crypto. (Monero?) I haven't tried that route, though, because it wasn't worth the effort for me. |
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AllYourSmurf
lemmy.world
AllYourSmurf@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Identity is an unsolved problem on the Internet. Weāve allowed email addresses to serve as a proxy for identity for a long time, but they no longer really work. As a result, weāve lost both our ability to be anonymous and our ability to be known. Iāve been playing with ideas to help fix this, and Iād like to connect with anyone working on something similar. |
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CallMeAl (like Alan)
piefed.zip
CallMeAl@piefed.zipJoined: 2025-12-14 |
why don't you post your open message on the threadiverse since you have an account already? |
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BottleBoardBakon
lemmy.ml
BottleBoardBakon@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-05-17 |
Uhh, proton works fine⦠You might need to clear your browsing data. You might want to start doing that all the time if youāre concerned about anonymity or privacy.
Zero issues with proton here as well... I create an alias for everything that asks for an email... |
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toebert
piefed.social
toebert@piefed.social Joined: 2025-11-08 |
What do you mean by "do not accept 3rd party registration email"? |
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TiredTiger
lemmy.ml
TiredTiger@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-02-22 |
Use an alias service like addy.io or Proton's SimpleLogin (I think DDG has a service too, or did) to create an email address to forward emails to your actual address, and then just don't use the alias for anything else. I believe both of those take anonymous payment methods. |
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lemmy.ml
umbrella@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-12 |
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lemmyreader
lemmy.ml
lemmyreader@lemmy.ml Joined: 2022-12-08 |
Not sure how well developed this Fediverse interaction between Lemmy-Mastodon is, but can you not reply from your Lemmy account to a Mastodon post ? And please change the broken disroot dot com link in your post into https://disroot.org/ t y |
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needanke
feddit.org
needanke@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-12 |
Depending on where you live, mailbox.org also offers payment by cash. |
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needanke
feddit.org
needanke@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-12 |
Also, if you are fine wit emailing the website owner, try contacting webmaster@[domain]. Sometimes those are monitored. |
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hirihit640
sh.itjust.works
hirihit640@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-10-28 |
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did you use a VPN or Tor? That's usually where they start asking for a phone or secondary email during the sign-up process. VPN or Tor are necessary if you want to create anonymous accounts. |
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hirihit640
sh.itjust.works
hirihit640@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-10-28 |
Inspired by your post, I just wrote a post about buying email accounts anonymously using darknet markets: https://sh.itjust.works/post/60519693.
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hirihit640
sh.itjust.works
hirihit640@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-10-28 |
I ran into the same problem recently and gave up. (You were much more persistent / stubborn than me; thanks for compiling the above list!) All major providers prevent you from registering anonymously because they don't want to have their services abused by spammers and scammers. Your best bet might be to get a VoIP number (not one of those public ones, but a paid one just for yourself), possibl...
You can also buy email accounts on darknet markets using Monero. I posted about it here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/60519693 |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
Uhh, proton works fine⦠You might need to clear your browsing data. You might want to start doing that all the time if youāre concerned about anonymity or privacy.
Good for you man ! may be you don't use Tor ? |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
You can also buy email accounts on darknet markets using Monero. I posted about it here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/60519693
Thanks @hirihit640@sh.itjust.works nice I'll read that ! |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
why don't you post your open message on the threadiverse since you have an account already?
You mean posting on lemmy for example ? |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
What do you mean by "do not accept 3rd party registration email"?
Man, dig up a little, all the major free e-mail provider come with this limitation |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
Not sure how well developed this Fediverse interaction between Lemmy-Mastodon is, but can you not reply from your Lemmy account to a Mastodon post ? And please change the broken disroot dot com link in your post into https://disroot.org/ t y
oh sorry for the broken link (they were not supposed to be link but header only... I'll fix that ) |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
Depending on where you live, mailbox.org also offers payment by cash.
Correct ! thanks I've updated the list. |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
"Funny" |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
Identity is an unsolved problem on the Internet. Weāve allowed email addresses to serve as a proxy for identity for a long time, but they no longer really work. As a result, weāve lost both our ability to be anonymous and our ability to be known. Iāve been playing with ideas to help fix this, and Iād like to connect with anyone working on something similar.
I'm working on it, I'll PM you. |
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toebert
piefed.social
toebert@piefed.social Joined: 2025-11-08 |
Man, dig up a little, all the major free e-mail provider come with this limitation
I don't understand your wording of what that limitation is. My best guess would be that you mean you want to use a custom domain for the email address..? |
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sakphul
discuss.tchncs.de
sakphul@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2025-06-23 |
for me it sounds like you actually do not want to communicate via E-Mail (for obvious reasons) but require one for registering with a service that you actually want to use. That way you can create an account with a throw-away Email and then use the account without any linking to you. But be sure to use an anonymuous, non-trackable wayy when creating this throw-away mail and also while using the service you are registering for. |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
I don't understand your wording of what that limitation is. My best guess would be that you mean you want to use a custom domain for the email address..?
So I rephrase, I hope it's more clear now |
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root
lemmy.wtf
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtfJoined: 2026-03-31 |
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Lee
retrolemmy.com
Lee@retrolemmy.com Joined: 2025-07-23 |
Identity is an unsolved problem on the Internet. Weāve allowed email addresses to serve as a proxy for identity for a long time, but they no longer really work. As a result, weāve lost both our ability to be anonymous and our ability to be known. Iāve been playing with ideas to help fix this, and Iād like to connect with anyone working on something similar.
I have been trying to come up with a solution that retains anonymity while also preventing spam/scam/etc for a while now. I have a few ideas, but feel there's room for improvements.Im'm up for discussing related ideas. |
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IratePirate
feddit.org
IratePirate@feddit.org Joined: 2026-02-02 |
Thanks @hirihit640@sh.itjust.works nice I'll read that ! but you should not use the word DarkNet (that's for the mainstream media, to scary peoples to use Tor ! DarkNet sound like is for shady peoples only XD )
You mean it's going to scare off all the Karens and the corporations that have already enshittified the clearweb? Don't threaten me with a good time! "Darkweb" it is for me! |
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whatiswrongwithyou
lemmy.ml
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-05-07 |
Good for you man ! may be you don't use Tor ? I could create an account but at the first e-mail received my account has been "frozen" and I need to provide an ID. I'll try to do a screenshot later on...
Yeah I use mullvad. |
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toebert
piefed.social
toebert@piefed.social Joined: 2025-11-08 |
So I rephrase, it means that if you subscribe to another web service/website ( F*cebook, mastodon ...) whatever and you receive an email to confirm your registration with that service, the email provider will block, freeze, or ban you. \ I hope it's more clear now
Thank you, that makes more sense. Proton has an article on this (https://proton.me/support/human-verification) and it does imply your use of tor will trigger it (as opposed to only requiring captcha). My only 3 ideas are:
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
Yeah I use mullvad.
you could say "I use a VPN"..VPN service: Requires trusting a single provider; not as anonymous as Tor; browser fingerprint differs from Torās |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
You mean it's going to scare off all the Karens and the corporations that have already enshittified the clearweb? Don't threaten me with a good time! "Darkweb" it is for me!
XD |
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
Thank you, that makes more sense. Proton has an article on this (https://proton.me/support/human-verification) and it does imply your use of tor will trigger it (as opposed to only requiring captcha). My only 3 ideas are: Some search results indicate that upgrading to a paid account removes this issue on proton, but it seems the wording for this on the page above was removed. If you're willing ...
Thanks for your 3 propositions š
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Rick_C137
programming.dev
Rick_C137@programming.devJoined: 2023-10-08 |
cock.li
š I just tried |
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toebert
piefed.social
toebert@piefed.social Joined: 2025-11-08 |
Thanks for your 3 propositions š so paid, can only be with an anonymous crypto like Monero otherwise it's pointless can you rephrase ? That's an ideas, but one might need to create new e-mail every week :)
On 1, would it not work if you created a new bitcoin wallet, then bought bitcoin with monero and used that bitcoin to pay? I understand BTC isn't anonymous, but if you fund the wallet only with BTC purchased via monero and don't re-use the wallet it shouldn't identify you. On 2, I meant to test if proton mail (or one of the other providers where the only issue is needing another email address) accepts adding a verification email address to the proton account (which in theory passes the human verification check), where the verification email address is from for example disroot, or from one of the anonymous mail providers. Basically just a test if the human verification check can be circumvented with another provider that would do the human verification check or similar, maybe there is a gap in the validation for one of them. Does that make sense? Either way, if you need this to be anonymous and also rotate the account with a high frequency like weekly, probably neither of those will remain feasible even if one of them would maybe work once. |
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whatiswrongwithyou
lemmy.ml
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-05-07 |
you could say "I use a VPN".. VPN service: Requires trusting a single provider; not as anonymous as Tor; browser fingerprint differs from Torās VPN paid service: not anonymous if you paid with Fiat XD
I think youāre making some critical errors in this reply. If you make personal privacy or security decisions based on its content, itās probably a very good idea to reevaluate them with a clear and honest outlook. It is easier to develop trust of a single provider than to develop trust of a random decentralized network of providers in a system that has been under confirmed attack for at least 15 years. Browser fingerprinting can be defeated or manipulated in many ways to accomplish different goals outside of either using tor or a vpn. Cash may not be under active surveillance and provides fantastic anonymity if you are capable of handling it appropriately. Even if you are not, investigating cash transactions is incredibly expensive, cumbersome, time sensitive and is defeated by a million simple methods that have been in practice for millennia. |
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