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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
If you thought this was a good idea you are part of the harm against these kids, wake the fuck up and use your brain, this is a moral panic, you are hardly different than villagers yelling for a witch to be burned at the stake and you should feel ashamed of your stupidity. Do better fediverse and if you are one of those people who casually waxes lyrical about denying kids access to the tools you use everyday because you honestly believe letting young people on social media is equivalent to giving them physically addictive drugs and that this place should have young people restricted from it because it is fundamentally unhealthy, please leave. You bring this place down and you undermine any sense of optimism about digital communities that motivates the rest of us to be here.
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https://news.ucsb.edu/2025/022293/brain-science-social-media-and-modern-moral-panic https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2026/01/26/social-media-age-bans-toxic-business-model/ https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2026-01-23-expert-comment-under-16-social-media-ban-right-course https://www.businessinsider.com/kids-parenting-social-media-bans-meta-2026-2 https://cacbrevard.org/should-teens-be-banned-from-social-media/ https://publications.ieu.asn.au/ie-220/article1/help-or-harm?cookies=true https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/students/blogs/australia-social-media-ban-under-16s https://www.thedrum.com/opinion/social-media-regulation-is-being-shaped-by-fear-not-evidence |
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Akh
lemmy.world
Akh@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-09 |
Seems like something easy to fix considering the massive damage social media has been doing |
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FlashMobOfOne
lemmy.world
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
Seeing as how the linked article is an editorial, I took a look at the link from the Guardian. And it's all people saying how it's more difficult to talk to their friends now. But how? You still have a phone that dials numbers. Your parents, presumably, have the ability to access social media and obtain any numbers you need if you inadvertently failed to do so. You have email. And it's free. The last line reiterates how, while this is ultimately a parental failing, the parental failing has been so astronomical and the harm to kids' cognitive abilities and mental stability so profound that regulation is essential. I look forward to the day when social media use is banned globally for all underage people, and if you need more information as to why, go speak to any schoolteacher in America who can't get their students to pay attention for more than 60 seconds, or who can't retain information that is literally written on the board in front of them. And it's getting worse because most parents just park their kid in front of a screen all day. Like recycling, this is a problem that cannot be solved by expecting individuals to act. Government regulation of social media platforms is necessary. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Seems like something easy to fix considering the massive damage social media has been doing
You sure about that buddy? Confident enough to maim the fragile social networks that young people living in hostile environments may rely on imperfectly in favor of another solution you haven't even come up with yet? Leave this place if this is how you see social media, by your own viewpoint digital communities aren't good for people so why are you here? |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Seeing as how the linked article is an editorial, I took a look at the link from the Guardian. And it's all people saying how it's more difficult to talk to their friends now. But how? You still have a phone that dials numbers. Your parents, presumably, have the ability to access social media and obtain any numbers you need if you inadvertently failed to do so. You have email. And it's free. Th...
Why are you here then? How the hell are you going to ban all underage people from social media, who are you going to bestow complete authority over our digital identities to and who gets the authority to decide the details of how it is done? You are being intellectually lazy and it shows.
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FlashMobOfOne
lemmy.world
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
Why are you here then? How the hell are you going to ban all underage people from social media, who are you going to bestow complete authority over our digital identities to and who gets the authority to decide the details of how it is done? You are being intellectually lazy and it shows. if you need more information as to why, go speak to any schoolteacher in America who can't get their studen...
For starters, requiring ID verification. That is something that is very obviously easy for an adult to provide and for a child not to. At the end of the day, that will be for each individual country to decide. Though I imagine over the long-term there will be more nuanced solutions. The problem of people losing their cognitive abilities is far more consequential than a small group of people having a more difficult time because they don't socialize easily. I'm just looking at the bigger issue here. |
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not_that_guy05
lemmy.world
not_that_guy05@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
Why are you here then? How the hell are you going to ban all underage people from social media, who are you going to bestow complete authority over our digital identities to and who gets the authority to decide the details of how it is done? You are being intellectually lazy and it shows. if you need more information as to why, go speak to any schoolteacher in America who can't get their studen...
Ok so let's use that logic of who gets the authority to decide. As a child would it be ok for you to watch porn all day? I mean what's stopping you? The government with their R, MA, NR ratings? Why not just let children smoke? Who has the authority to question what we do with our bodies? We should be selling smokes and alcohol to minors cause why listen to anything the professionals and government says? Why are you following those rules? That's just being intellectually lazy since others are telling you what to do. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
For starters, requiring ID verification. That is something that is very obviously easy for an adult to provide and for a child not to. At the end of the day, that will be for each individual country to decide. Though I imagine over the long-term there will be more nuanced solutions. The problem of people losing their cognitive abilities is far more consequential than a small group of people hav...
Cite your sources or don't casually assert such claims |
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FlashMobOfOne
lemmy.world
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
The problem of people losing their cognitive abilities Cite your sources or don't casually assert such claims
I don't exist to entertain you, and I don't find your ideological bent worth more of my time. Have a pleasant evening. :) |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Ok so let's use that logic of who gets the authority to decide. As a child would it be ok for you to watch porn all day? I mean what's stopping you? The government with their R, MA, NR ratings? Why not just let children smoke? Who has the authority to question what we do with our bodies? We should be selling smokes and alcohol to minors cause why listen to anything the professionals and governm...
How does this relate to the conversation at hand?...... further do you honestly believe porn isn't accessible to people under 18...???.........??????????...........????????????????????
What evidence do you have that letting kids access social media is equivalent to exposing them to one of the most physically addictive cancer causing agents on earth? Let me state the obvious, letting kids smoke cigarettes would lead to many many many many MANY young people dying prematurely. What you are suggesting, cutting off young people from social media, will likely also kill kids who are ostracized in their local in-person social networks when they become desperately isolated from anyone who isn't bigoted. I know this seems silly to state explicitly because it is so obvious but social media does not prematurely end people's lives by massively raising the risk of a terminal illness that can't be cured, to equate them is an offense to anyone who has lost a loved one to lung cancer or some other health complication from cigarettes. |
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Akh
lemmy.world
Akh@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-09 |
Advocacy group Children and Young People with Disability Australia (CYDA) says social media and the internet is “often a lifeline for young people with disability, providing one of the few truly accessible ways to build connections and find community”. In a submission to the Senate inquiry around the laws, CYDA said social media was: “a place where young people can choose how they want to repre...
Children. Tons of studies show that social media for people under 25 does developmental harm to the brain because the part that hits the brakes does not develop then. Instead, for teens it is a dopamine factory with doom scroll |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Children. Tons of studies show that social media for people under 25 does developmental harm to the brain because the part that hits the brakes does not develop then. Instead, for teens it is a dopamine factory with doom scroll
Cite your sources or stop making these claims |
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Korkki
lemmy.ml
Korkki@lemmy.mlJoined: 2025-02-08 |
The real issue is that most social media is for-profit addiction machine breeding more and more anti-social behavior, not that kids have access to it. This is just a another example that liberals are incapable of seeing any ill in rampant capitalism or much less intervene in it's mechanism for the common good. Everything is framed around profit seeking bringing out the greatest good and individuals choice. They are very at a loss when having to to do any systemic analysis why social-media has ill effects on social fabric. The best they can come up is that kids are not yet fully formed adults able to do the right choice, so they must be guided. |
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ianhclark510
lemmy.blahaj.zone
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-06-09 |
Who could have possibly guessed that cutting kids off from means of communication would have negative consequences? |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
I don't exist to entertain you, and I don't find your ideological bent worth more of my time. Have a pleasant evening. :)
I don't want entertainment, I want you to think harder before you resort to kneejerk reactions and I want you to cite your sources when you make bold claims. |
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Fizz
lemmy.nz
Fizz@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-12 |
This whole article seems fishy.
If thats the case why dont her parents just use their I'd to verify an account for her? Also it only blocked a few platforms and there are still plenty of ways to communicate with friends. |
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monkeyjoe
lemmy.world
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-18 |
I don't want entertainment, I want you to think harder before you resort to kneejerk reactions and I want you to cite your sources when you make bold claims.
Giving citations is too much work for people who react based on feelings and not reality. |
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osanna
thebrainbin.org
osanna@thebrainbin.org Joined: 2026-02-01 |
I said this would happen, and got downvoted. |
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CmdrShepard49
sh.itjust.works
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-05 |
Cite your sources or stop making these claims
Have you cited a single thing anywhere in this entire post? |
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MagicShel
lemmy.zip
MagicShel@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-10-14 |
The real issue is that most social media is for-profit addiction machine breeding more and more anti-social behavior, not that kids have access to it. This is just a another example that liberals are incapable of seeing any ill in rampant capitalism or much less intervene in it's mechanism for the common good. Everything is framed around profit seeking bringing out the greatest good and individ...
Yeah. I'm pretty sure for profit social media isn't good for anyone. Adults shouldn't use it either. But we decided long ago that you can't stop adults from drinking or smoking weed, so adults are just mature enough to handle it or approach lies and manipulation with more skepticism, but I look around and see it's not true. I feel like at least things like Lemmy and Mastodon are much easier to filter or walk away from when you aren't in the right emotional space. |
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CmdrShepard49
sh.itjust.works
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-05 |
Giving citations is too much work for people who react based on feelings and not reality.
You mean like OP, who's clearly having a temper tantrum calling people "fucking idiots" and telling them they need to "leave" if they don't agree with them, all the while demanding sources from everyone while providing none of their own other than a single editorial written by a college student? |
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CmdrShepard49
sh.itjust.works
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-05 |
The problem of people losing their cognitive abilities Cite your sources or don't casually assert such claims
How about this tidbit from the article you linked in the OP? I'm guessing you didn't actually read any of it past the headline because it certainly doesn't say what you seem to think it does. What an intellectually lazy thing to do.
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
How about this tidbit from the article you linked in the OP? I'm guessing you didn't actually read any of it past the headline because it certainly doesn't say what you seem to think it does. What an intellectually lazy thing to do. In 2018, the World Health Organization recognized gaming disorder as a mental health condition that intrudes detrimentally into an addicted gamer’s sleep, work, edu...
Yeah, I included that to show some breadth in my evidence, but the evidence for gaming addiction is fraught with structural issues as well. Certainly people get addicted to video games, but it is also decidedly a moral panic and thus comparing social media to it weakens the case for banning it in my opinion. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Have you cited a single thing anywhere in this entire post?
Yes |
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
Why are you here then? How the hell are you going to ban all underage people from social media, who are you going to bestow complete authority over our digital identities to and who gets the authority to decide the details of how it is done? You are being intellectually lazy and it shows. if you need more information as to why, go speak to any schoolteacher in America who can't get their studen...
Hold up, hold up. Here are plenty of studies - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=attention+span+social+media&btnG= |
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
Cite your sources or stop making these claims
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Fill your boots, mate - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=social+media+developmental+effects&btnG=&oq=social+media+developmental
You.... sent me a search result for keywords... you want to be specific? |
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
You.... sent me a search result for keywords... you want to be specific?
Nope! |
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BilboBargains
lemmy.world
BilboBargains@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
I want to ban everything conservatives and corporations love. All drugs legal except alcohol, ban billionaires, ban lobbying, keep doing that until their heads explode. We know that social media is designed to be addictive and needs to be regulated the same way any addictive or dangerous substance or activity should be. Harm reduction and education is the best way in general. |
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Übercomplicated
lemmy.ml
Uebercomplicated@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-02-19 |
Yeah. I'm pretty sure for profit social media isn't good for anyone. Adults shouldn't use it either. But we decided long ago that you can't stop adults from drinking or smoking weed, so adults are just mature enough to handle it or approach lies and manipulation with more skepticism, but I look around and see it's not true. I feel like at least things like Lemmy and Mastodon are much easier to ...
Because lemmy and mastodon don't have manipulative algorithms! Maybe we should just outlaw those kind of algos? /showerthoughts |
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Mpatch
lemmy.world
Mpatch@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-01 |
As a child would it be ok for you to watch porn all day? How does this relate to the conversation at hand?...... further do you honestly believe porn isn't accessible to people under 18...???.........??????????...........???????????????????? Why not just let children smoke? What evidence do you have that letting kids access social media is equivalent to exposing them to one of the most physical...
Bud, you're stuned. It's bad, its fucking up kids. You are in denial flat our running the tobacco playbook. |
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Mpatch
lemmy.world
Mpatch@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-01 |
How about this tidbit from the article you linked in the OP? I'm guessing you didn't actually read any of it past the headline because it certainly doesn't say what you seem to think it does. What an intellectually lazy thing to do. In 2018, the World Health Organization recognized gaming disorder as a mental health condition that intrudes detrimentally into an addicted gamer’s sleep, work, edu...
Don't feed the dipshit troll. It is trying to get people bent out of shape with a long-term agenda. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
I was not prepared, however, to find absolutely no evidence. Hold up, hold up. Here are plenty of studies - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=attention+span+social+media&btnG=
There is nothing more low effort than linking to search results for words without any additional context or any indicators which of the search results are relevant or even necessarily support your conclusions... |
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XLE
piefed.social
XLE@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-23 Banned |
This whole article seems fishy. While some young people were exposed to harmful content and bullying online, for Indy, social media was always a safe space. If she ever came across anything that felt unsafe, she says, she would ask her parents or sisters about it. If thats the case why dont her parents just use their I'd to verify an account for her? Also it only blocked a few platforms and the...
I don't think that uploading a government ID makes anyone safer online, especially when those IDs are guaranteed to be exposed online, and used to abuse people the legal way (through hyper detailed profiles). Australia also lacks common-sense free speech protections, so it's easy for powerful people to target anyone they dislike. Just ask Friendlyjordies. |
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Fizz
lemmy.nz
Fizz@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-12 |
I don't think that uploading a government ID makes anyone safer online, especially when those IDs are guaranteed to be exposed online, and used to abuse people the legal way (through hyper detailed profiles). Australia also lacks common-sense free speech protections, so it's easy for powerful people to target anyone they dislike. Just ask Friendlyjordies.
Thats fine, uploading the ID doesnt have to be safer. The parents can judge the risk of their child using that platform and upload their ID to verify if they want. I'm pointing out that the child isnt prevented from communicating with friends or even using social media. |
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XLE
piefed.social
XLE@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-23 Banned |
Thats fine, uploading the ID doesnt have to be safer. The parents can judge the risk of their child using that platform and upload their ID to verify if they want. I'm pointing out that the child isnt prevented from communicating with friends or even using social media.
Can you rephrase, "doesn't need to be safer"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Because this is just making people more unsafe. If you trust parents with giving (or not giving) their children access to the internet, then we don't need a nanny state or ID uploads at all. |
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
There is nothing more low effort than linking to search results for words without any additional context or any indicators which of the search results are relevant or even necessarily support your conclusions...
The claim was that there is no evidence. To disprove that all I had to do was find one piece of evidence. I found several with 5 seconds of work. Why are you not putting in that amount of effort? Is it because you are too angry to consider alternative points of view? |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
The claim was that there is no evidence. To disprove that all I had to do was find one piece of evidence. I found several with 5 seconds of work. Why are you not putting in that amount of effort? Is it because you are too angry to consider alternative points of view?
It is a search result for four words, not a list of positive evidence supporting your argument....? |
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
It is a search result for four words, not a list of positive evidence supporting your argument....?
I could have linked to the studies individually but I am not your research assistant and owe you nothing. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
I could have linked to the studies individually but I am not your research assistant and owe you nothing.
Right but you did not show me positive evidence. Pointing at a forest and saying "Bigfoot is in there, that is proof, I don't have time to show you, find Bigfoot yourself!" doesn't count as proof Bigfoot exists.. |
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
Right but you did not show me positive evidence. Pointing at a forest and saying "Bigfoot is in there, that is proof, I don't have time to show you, find Bigfoot yourself!" doesn't count as proof Bigfoot exists..
In your original post you demonstrated an ability to collect a nice pile of links to support your argument. Use that skill to build the opposite argument and see what happens. If your original argument was a good one it should stand up. I've given you a starting point but I'm not going to try to change the mind of an angry person, that's just stupid. |
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Pycorax
sh.itjust.works
pycorax@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-26 |
I may agree with your point but you need to be a lot nicer with how you word your message. Stop insulting the people trying to read your post and calm the hell down. The fediverse isn't your dumping ground for rage and abuse. Nor is anyone here obligated to respond to your vitriol. It only serves to hurt whatever you're trying to convey. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
I may agree with your point but you need to be a lot nicer with how you word your message. Stop insulting the people trying to read your post and calm the hell down. The fediverse isn't your dumping ground for rage and abuse. Nor is anyone here obligated to respond to your vitriol. It only serves to hurt whatever you're trying to convey.
Fair enough, but for the record I am not just arbitrarily mad about this. This is the fediverse. We should be excited about the possibility of social media when it is employed in a kind way for adults and younger people. How am I supposed to feel optimistic when even here people resort to kneejerk reductions about social media moral panics without engaging with the nuance? Yeah it is frustrating, but you aren't wrong. I am angry because I care. |
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