Leopards are eating each other's faces! Yay!

So we have proof of election fraud! I demand a recount!!!

If you read the article, it's a tragedy. He came here from Mexico when he was four and registered to vote in a high school field trip. He has a green card and just mistakenly thought he was allowed to vote.

They accused him of some severe crimes for voting, and he was able to eventually plead to some lesser offenses.

And because of that, ICE is deporting him back to Mexico, a place he hasn't lived since he was four years old.

Then, the article says this:

Ceballos publicly acknowledged that he voted for Trump and said he has no regrets.

I still think he's getting screwed, but man, seriously, human beings are supposed to be capable of learning from their mistakes. This guy makes me feel embarrassed as a fellow human.

Meanwhile, in Coldwater, many residents feel the punishment has gone too far.

It's a conservative town of 700. Maybe at least some of them are capable of thinking or learning.

Ceballos stated that for years, he believed his status as a legal permanent resident allowed him to participate in U.S. elections.

Throw a "believing things because I want them to be true, despite evidence to the contrary" on top of this clusterfuck.

I have to disagree. He voted for exactly this and has no regrets. This helps to possibly send a message to the other idiots that they are supporting the villains.

MAGA can't stop talking about election fraud, which based on recent history definitely means that election fraud happened and that it was mostly by Republicans. Of course their solution is to suppress voters and interfere in state elections.

Yeah, definitely not a tragedy. Dude got what he voted for and doesn't regret the vote. If he means what he says about having no regrets, this is an objectively happy ending for him.

And, frankly, props to him for not changing his stance when it happens to affect him personally. I can't say I agree with or even really understand his decision-making process, but I can appreciate the consistency at least.

This dude’s civics teachers failed the hell out of him if he knew he wasn’t a citizen and still thought he could vote.

I imagine this gentleman would have gladly tossed people similar to himself to the wolves, given the opportunity, so my sympathy for him is minimal. These people should read history books and learn that aligning yourself with fascists does not guarantee you safety from fascists, which is particularly true if you're a member of one of the out groups.

Donald did not lie about cracking down on immigration, and this person supported it.

(Donald did lie about unleashing a Gestapo. but that's a separate issue entirely.)

It’s a tragedy for Mexico

So do they undo his vote and do a recount? Ahh, I thought not.

I am amazed of the voting system in the US.

In my country, I have to go to my designated box, in the designated table of the designated school, where three people will check my ID against the list of people who can vote there before they unlock the box where I put my vote.

The US is really struggling with this issue right now.

Every time this issue is examined, they don't find any voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of an election.

So, there's little reason to change.

We don't have any national ID that every citizen has, so if we start requiring more stringent identification, we'll greatly reduce the number of legal voters, trying to fix something that isn't a problem.

The government should know who is allowed to vote, so I don't really see how this guy was allowed to vote, either. But I think we could easily set votes like that to the side, and not count them until the voter is checked to be legally voting. It seems strange that there are big criminal penalties attached when people are simply making mistakes, and nobody is hurt.

I think we should just have a national ID that isn't specifically a driver's license, that people can get for free, and roll it out slowly, eventually so that all voters are going to have it. There is something that's similar, I think called "real ID", that still seems to be a driver's license. We need something that is primarily an ID that can also act as a driver's license, not the other way around.

I sense an incoming pardon.

The problem is Republicans use Voter ID as a Trojan horse to enact naked voter suppression. There are very few people who actually oppose Voter ID if implemented properly.

The issue is complicated by the fact that elections even for president are run by the states, because of the anti-democratic views of some of the founding fathers 250 years ago. Different states wanted to prevent different types of people from voting, some states took a long time to allow non-landowners to vote.

In my state, you have to have provided ID and be a citizen to be on the voter registration list, and they check my name against the list but don't ask for ID. So someone who wanted to stealy vote would have to know I was registered and was not planning to vote.

Yeah, I've always taken the whole "Biden stole the election" thing to mean "we cheated and lost, so obviously they were cheating!"

Trump’s pardons are 85% white and 90% January 6th insurrectionists, so no, I don’t think a pardon is incoming for José Ceballos here

Not gonna cry for him. He voted for this.

Fackin whoops.

I mean I do not think the following fact is a bad thing I think it is awesome, I am just surprised a resident alien became mayor of [oh shit I just read the headline. Kansas is a city, right?]

Me: "why didn't the US solve * easily solvable problem?"

Answer, every time: "Republicans"

he's still supporting the very person who's kicking him out. i see no reason to feel bad. this is prime leopard eating face situation. i hope he lives content with the fact that he helped elect a fascist moron into office and got his ass deported.

but man, seriously, human beings are supposed to be capable of learning from their mistakes

The wise learn from the mistakes of others, normal people learn from their own mistakes, the stupid never learn

And see #3 and #5 below.

These are Cipolla's five fundamental laws of stupidity:

1. Always and inevitably, everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.

2. The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.

3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.

4. Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular, non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places, and under any circumstances, to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.

5. A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.

not like this.in Australia, more like the US. You register to vote, turn up on voting day, have your name crossed off a list, fill the boxes in on the ballot paper.

that's it

The more intelligent someone is, the more their own thoughts and imagination get in their way. People who are "simple" sometimes are more capable of learning from their mistakes, sometimes because their environment forces them to.