Engaging in politics? Pointless.

Obviously the solution is to constantly talk about the necessity of violent action while never actually committing any acts of violence.

well thankfully violent resistance got Mamdani elected

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Since my sarcasm may not fully convey my sentiment, here’s a bit more…

There are too many calls for violence compared to the calls for solidarity. Violently subverting the dominant paradigm won’t accomplish anything unless there’s solidarity to shape the outcome on the other side.

And for all these cries for violence, I just don’t see any news about violent resistance—and especially not about effective violent resistance.

Even the claim that violence has been the only thing to stop fascism is dubious. Fascism is still here. It was kept in check until we collectively stopped fighting it in the realm of public option, thinking the work was all done.

The prerequisite to successful revolution is building up a revolutionary party. Doing violence with no aim is just adventurism and helps nothing.

imagine being so intellectually impoverished to think that voting is the sole means of political engagement

This isn't a theoretical debate. We can just look at MAS in Bolivia to see what people mean by violent resistance. https://thespectaclemag.substack.com/p/the-bolivian-people-rise-up-and-say

People aren't talking about some random acts of violence here. What they're talking about is building a militant worker movement. And anybody who claims that worker movements stopping fascism is dubious is either deeply ignorant or a troll. Historically, this is the only way fascism has been stopped. Meanwhile, what voting gets you is Germany in 1930s where the social democrats famously aligned with the nazis against the communists.

Calling for revolution is not a call for random violence, but the creation of a revolutionary organization. Violence without organization is adventurism.

Secondly, fascism has not been "kept in check." Fascism happens when capitalism faces crisis, and blaming its rise on the working classes suddenly ceasing to fight it politically ignores why it rises to begin with.

I see very few calls for organization. This post surely doesn’t include one.

Your post is about the violence. MAS is about the community and solidarity.

Yes, and MAS uses community and solidarity to fight state violence with violence. Are you genuinely not aware of this or you're just trolling?

Have you spoken with people advocating revolution about how they believe it is best handled?

Your post puts the cart before the horse and sows division.

The OOP has Cuban, Korean, and Palestinian flags, and mentions violent resistance. This implies organization.

ok ,so trolling then, thanks for clarifying

Derision doesn’t help our cause.

It seems the post is comparing violent resistance to nonviolent resistance (via voting). If resistance implies organization, then both plans imply organization, and then the point of this post is just to get people on board with the violence, dismissing nonviolent means of progress as being ineffective by saying those who want that path don’t even accomplish it.

Let’s please spend more time/posts on class solidarity and less time belittling those who don’t have the same exact ideology.

The problem is that "nonviolent resistance" doesn't work, and revolution is necessary. It isn't about ideological purity, it's about what is possible and what is not.

It's just too bad that people are only capable of one form of political engagement at a time. There's no way that someone could try to organize in their community and fill out a ballot a few times a year.

And really, why would you? Things will be exactly the same no matter who is in power as long as they aren't 100% aligned with your views.

Nah, best to mock anyone who chooses coalition building over ideological purity and stick to the plan of having a tiny fraction of the population lead a revolution... eventually.

Then convince people of that with reasoned arguments. Not by making fun of people.

Much more likely to build community that way. And without community, the violent resistance will not lead to long lasting success.

We do both. It's just a generally human thing to joke around with your community, but again, this just returns to my question of whether or not you've engaged with people advocating revolutionary means.

then don't sealion into threads to do it

Nice straw man, nowhere did I say anything about doing only one form of political engagement at a time. In fact, that's precisely what I was deriding in my comment.

It is human to joke. Not everyone finds every joke to be funny.

Yeah, that’s not trolling nor sealioning.

People didn’t find your joke to be funny or helpful, and your responses have been rather antagonistic.

I’ve offered thoughtful explanations of why I don’t find your post humorous, but harmful instead. I appreciate the evidence you’ve provided in response, but the labeling isn’t helpful.

Poke some fun at the oligarchs, and I’ll send more LOLs your way.

And I had said nothing about voting at all, let alone suggesting that people should vote and do nothing else. Maybe I confused you for the straw man because you were still covered in the stuff from fighting a straw man of your own.

Sure? Never said everyone needed to find every joke funny. Have you engaged with people advocating revolutionary means?

No we can't pressure this politician we say we want to push with our leverage what if that hurts their election chances. /s

My mistake for assuming you'd actually be making your comment within the context of the discussion.

fuck you mandami kept the far right police ministry, has already given in, has done nothing to stop ice from brutalzing new yorkers, has restarted homeless sweeps, condems resistance to what he says is a genocide, apologized for calling the nypd racist on and on. Stop champaigning less than half measures.

or maybe look into the history of the failure of electorlism to change society or no we could do nothing like you suggest.

And I explained why your explanation is ahistorical and does not match observed reality. There is a discussion to be had regarding messaging, but the reality of the situation is that the sate has a monopoly on legalized violence in form of police and military forces, and it is not shy about using violence against the public. This is true for every western country where mass protests are suppressed brutally and violently. The only realistic option for the working majority is to build power structures that are able to meet the violence of the state standing up.

no electorlism is never the answer

Where did I mention electoralism being viable?

Doing good things is a distraction from what's really important: getting that dang cheeto out of the white house!!

Okay, I think I understand you, and we agree on the important stuff.

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Then you're not paying attention

Voting in US elections is engaging in politics in the same way that playing with the big steering wheel at the playground is driving

Why does it feel like people like you are a product of a propaganda mill than anyone with any original thoughts.

Same talking points over and over and over for decades that lead to Trump getting elected, but nothing changed.