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Google is losing users: DuckDuckGo installs are up 30%, and Kagi is seeing 3X growth
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FallenWalnut lemmy.world FallenWalnut@lemmy.world
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These numbers exclude Ecosia, Brave, Qwant and all the other search engines that have seen a surge in sign-ups over the last few days.

You are also seeing people take the opportunity to switch browsers. Vivaldi specifically has reported substantial growth recently.

Article talking about DuckDuckGo: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/26/duckduckgo-installs-are-up-30-as-users-reject-being-force-fed-googles-ai-search/

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tyler programming.dev tyler@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-12
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Why the past few days?

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altphoto lemmy.today altphoto@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-04-14
#3 · Quote Reply

Why the past few days?

Cuz fucgol went all AI now.

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SHBI7368 sh.itjust.works SHBI7368@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-31
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whats a kagi

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IDew lemmy.zip IDew@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-22
#5 · Quote Reply

whats a kagi

Search engine :)

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Beacon fedia.io Beacon@fedia.io
Joined: 2024-07-16
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Qwant is great

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can sh.itjust.works can@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-10
#7 · Quote Reply

Why the past few days?

Maybe still from the EU browser choice screen?

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TheGoldenV lemmy.world TheGoldenV@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-09-23
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whats a kagi

It’s a health exercise?

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TragicNotCute lemmy.world TragicNotCute@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-09
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whats a kagi

It’s a paid search engine and it’s quite excellent.

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Ludicrous0251 piefed.zip Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-09-11
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whats a kagi

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/company/meaning.html

It means "key" in Japanese.

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Cybersec piefed.social Cybersec@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-02-01
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whats a kagi

Paid search engine with no tracking, no ads, great features. Am a very happy user of it.

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dadGPT lemmy.world dadGPT@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-25
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whats a kagi

google it

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KiwiTB lemmy.world KiwiTB@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-29
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It’s a paid search engine and it’s quite excellent.

You might want to check who owns it and which country's war it is currently benefiting.

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Onomatopoeia lemmy.cafe Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2025-01-02
#14 · Quote Reply

google it

Hahaha, enjoy my upvote

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favoredponcho lemmy.zip favoredponcho@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-08
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anar lemmy.dbzer0.com 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-10-20
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You might want to check who owns it and which country's war it is currently benefiting.

I can't seem to find anything particularly damnning, can you give me a link or just a lede about this?

I pay for Kagi but would happily and eagerly stop if it's funding israel or something

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Jhex lemmy.world Jhex@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-01-28
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It’s a paid search engine and it’s quite excellent.

I have heard it is super good; however, when I tried it I felt it was about the same as Qwant or Starpage. Having said that, I acknowledge I did not really performed a good test, just browsed around a bit.

I do have a question, with all the corporate ghouls sucking up all our private data to resell later; how do we know Kagi is not just hoarding to enshitify? I honestly think if I paid another service just to wind up with them selling my data anyway I am going to have a rage stroke

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bort sopuli.xyz bort@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2024-02-19
#18 · (edited) Quote Reply

I have heard it is super good; however, when I tried it I felt it was about the same as Qwant or Starpage. Having said that, I acknowledge I did not really performed a good test, just browsed around a bit. I do have a question, with all the corporate ghouls sucking up all our private data to resell later; how do we know Kagi is not just hoarding to enshitify? I honestly think if I paid another ...

how do we know Kagi is not just hoarding to enshitify?

"if you are not the customer, you are the product". Or to phrase it differently: they have a strong incentive not to enshittify, as that would lose them lots of paying customers.

That being said, there is no guarantee that they will not turn shitty later. There never is and never will be, with any service you dont host yourself.

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Jhex lemmy.world Jhex@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-01-28
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how do we know Kagi is not just hoarding to enshitify? "if you are not the customer, you are the product". Or to phrase it differently: they have a strong incentive not to enshittify, as that would lose them lots of paying customers. That being said, there is no guarantee that they will not turn shitty later. There never is and never will be, with any service you dont host yourself.

they have a strong incentive not to enshittify, as that would lose them lots of paying customers.

Sorry bud but that's just naive; literally all the big corpos we hate now were beloved when they started. Kagi already dropped their first paid tier from 500 to 300 searches per month. I am not saying that they will necessarily enshittify but I would certainly not assume they won't just because they are selling something (look at Plex for a very recent case)

That being said, there is guarantee that they will not turn shitty later. There never is and never will be, with any service you dont host yourself.

I think you missed a "no" before "guarantee" but I understand the point. There are not guarantees but this one doesn't even look like a good candidate to stay clean IMO (plus as a Canadian, I would not subscribe to an American company for the time being, I just saw their wiki to find out where they are based)

Thanks for your reply

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atomicbocks sh.itjust.works atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-02-16
#20 · (edited) Quote Reply

A while back there was a user on Lemmy that would not stop pushing Kagi in every freaking comment they made and they were in so many threads to the point that they are the main reason I have never tried it.

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almost1337 lemmy.zip almost1337@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-04
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You might want to check who owns it and which country's war it is currently benefiting.

Kagi (pronounced kah-gee) was founded in 2018 by Vladimir Prelovac in Palo Alto, CA. Our advisory board includes Raghu Murthi, Dr. Norman Winarsky, Stephen Wolfram and Rory Sutherland.

I... fail to see the problem?

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HeyJoe lemmy.world HeyJoe@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-05
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I still use Firefox, but i made the switch to duckduckgo a few years ago and stopped using google. I also work on people's PC's and have always setup my defaults on them so they also now use duckduckgo instead of google. It may be small, but at least i feel like i am doing my part. I am also working on having our company set its default to ddg as well which would change about 4k over. They are to big and gotta go...

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Freakazoid lemmy.ml Freakazoid@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-11-20
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Do you guys find DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, or Qwant to be better?

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TragicNotCute lemmy.world TragicNotCute@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-09
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I have heard it is super good; however, when I tried it I felt it was about the same as Qwant or Starpage. Having said that, I acknowledge I did not really performed a good test, just browsed around a bit. I do have a question, with all the corporate ghouls sucking up all our private data to resell later; how do we know Kagi is not just hoarding to enshitify? I honestly think if I paid another ...

I tried both when I was originally planning to switch off Google and Startpage was my favorite of the bunch, but there’s were key queries it would fumble hard and I’d miss something I needed that Google (and later Kagi) found.

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tempest lemmy.ca tempest@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-06-30
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I don't use Google but the second I read this headline and thought critically for a second or was more ' wow DDG doesn't have many users does it'

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frank sopuli.xyz frank@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-06-05
#26 · Quote Reply

google it

Your username is fantastic

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baguettefish discuss.tchncs.de baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-07-06
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Do you guys find DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, or Qwant to be better?

ecosia and qwant are at least not american, but all three really enjoy AI which I don't like. I personally use ecosia.

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Maxxie piefed.blahaj.zone Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-06-08
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Kagi (pronounced kah-gee) was founded in 2018 by Vladimir Prelovac in Palo Alto, CA. Our advisory board includes Raghu Murthi, Dr. Norman Winarsky, Stephen Wolfram and Rory Sutherland. I... fail to see the problem?

They do use yandex services(russian state cloud provider) among others. That's not that damning -- its one of the few 'independent' (as in, not google or microsoft) search indexes.

That's the only connection I know of, other than CEO named Vladimir.

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Sylvartas lemmy.dbzer0.com Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-11
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Do you guys find DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, or Qwant to be better?

I find them to be not Google. Which has become so bad anyway that even if they are slightly worse, I don't really notice. For example I often resort to Google when I get frustrated with ddg's results and it rarely fares better.

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FallenWalnut Moderator FallenWalnut@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-02
#30 · (edited) Quote Reply

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There is no central database, so we have to infer from what is available.

Kagi is the only paid service and so will have a fraction of the free options. The fact that their growth rate increased by 3X with 2k new users in a week is impressive.

DDG has 100m users and saw a 30% increase in their growth.
Then you also have:

  • Ecosia (20m+)
  • Brave (50m+)
  • StartPage
  • Mojeek
  • Qwant
  • Etc.

It starts adding up...

Google is not going to lose its monopoly overnight. It is also particularly damaging when they burn through billions and lose market share.

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grue lemmy.world grue@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
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Who the fuck "installs" DuckDuckGo? It's a website!

spoiler

(To everybody about to tell me they have a browser app thing too: that's just stupid, IDGAF, shut up. DuckDuckGo is a place you use your real browser, i.e. Firefox, to navigate to.)

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atopi piefed.blahaj.zone atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-07-19
#32 · (edited) Quote Reply

how do we know Kagi is not just hoarding to enshitify? "if you are not the customer, you are the product". Or to phrase it differently: they have a strong incentive not to enshittify, as that would lose them lots of paying customers. That being said, there is no guarantee that they will not turn shitty later. There never is and never will be, with any service you dont host yourself.

windows 11 is paid. So is netflix

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DeckPacker lemmy.world BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-29
#33 · (edited) Quote Reply

There is no central database, so we have to infer from what is available. Kagi is the only paid service and so will have a fraction of the free options. The fact that their growth rate increased by 3X with 2k new users in a week is impressive. DDG has 100m users and saw a 30% increase in their growth. Then you also have: Ecosia (20m+) Brave (50m+) StartPage Mojeek Qwant Etc. It starts adding up...

Not really, because our modern financial system is mostly made up bullshit, that is detached from reality. Do you think investors care, that no one likes Google looses billions of dollars a year chasing AI? No, because it's just a speculative investment vehicle. The stock market is just gambling for rich people and the belief that it helps anyone or reflects reality in any meaningful way is a fundamental pillar of the propaganda that keeps our financial system afloat.

It's still nice, that more people are escaping big tech though.

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samus12345 sh.itjust.works samus12345@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-03
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They do use yandex services(russian state cloud provider) among others. That's not that damning -- its one of the few 'independent' (as in, not google or microsoft) search indexes. That's the only connection I know of, other than CEO named Vladimir.

Yandex is nice to use when I want to do a search that doesn't give a fuck about DMCA shit.

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razen lemmy.world razen@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-08
#35 · Quote Reply

The growth is like an ant for the sheer amount of Google users. I mean almost every phone on earth is using Google by default.

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Seth Taylor lemmy.world SethTaylor@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-04-06
#36 · Quote Reply

Do you guys find DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, or Qwant to be better?

DuckDuck and Qwant for me

I seem to not be able to disable AI stuff on Ecosia anymore

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Matty Roses lemmy.today mattyroses@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-01-29
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Who the fuck "installs" DuckDuckGo? It's a website! ::: spoiler spoiler (To everybody about to tell me they have a browser app thing too: that's just stupid, IDGAF, shut up. DuckDuckGo is a place you use your real browser, i.e. Firefox, to navigate to.) :::

Setting it as default search

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Grass sh.itjust.works Grass@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-09-30
#38 · Quote Reply

I install my search. My operating system is internet explorer.

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KiwiTB lemmy.world KiwiTB@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-29
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I can't seem to find anything particularly damnning, can you give me a link or just a lede about this? I pay for Kagi but would happily and eagerly stop if it's funding israel or something

Russia, is that close enough

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anar lemmy.dbzer0.com 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-10-20
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Russia, is that close enough

All I can find is that some 2% of their budget goes to Yandex licensing. Which is definitely a shame, but not worth a full on boycott for me. If it was a higher number, sure.

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Swedneck discuss.tchncs.de Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-10
#41 · (edited) Quote Reply

Setting it as default search

i just installed this reply to your comment!

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Ludicrous0251 piefed.zip Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-09-11
#42 · Quote Reply

Do you guys find DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, or Qwant to be better?

They all primarily use Bing, so the results are pretty similar.

If French or German happens to be your first language, Ecosia & Qwant have been collaborating on an EU-centric search index to deliver better localized results, starting with those two markets.

Otherwise, it's kindof a wash.

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zod000 lemmy.dbzer0.com zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-08-12
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Yeah, that shady Y-axis is doing some heavy lifting here.

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zod000 lemmy.dbzer0.com zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-08-12
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I have heard it is super good; however, when I tried it I felt it was about the same as Qwant or Starpage. Having said that, I acknowledge I did not really performed a good test, just browsed around a bit. I do have a question, with all the corporate ghouls sucking up all our private data to resell later; how do we know Kagi is not just hoarding to enshitify? I honestly think if I paid another ...

I also didn't come away impressed enough my from Kagi demo to begin paying for it. If they weren't leaning so hard into AI stuff I may have paid for a bit just to support the idea of a search engine that "you weren't the product" as the saying goes.

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themachinestops lemmy.dbzer0.com themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-19
#45 · Quote Reply

I honestly tried duckduckgo and it is awful. Doesn't give me correct result, any alternatives other than Kagi?

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FallenWalnut Moderator FallenWalnut@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-02
#46 · Quote Reply

I honestly tried duckduckgo and it is awful. Doesn't give me correct result, any alternatives other than Kagi?

Qwant and Ecosia would be the next two on the list.

Brave also, but people (rightly) have issues with their owner. He is a huge advocate against gay rights.

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bort sopuli.xyz bort@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2024-02-19
#47 · Quote Reply

windows 11 is paid. So is netflix

windows itself is not the main source of income for microsoft.

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bort sopuli.xyz bort@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2024-02-19
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they have a strong incentive not to enshittify, as that would lose them lots of paying customers. Sorry bud but that's just naive; literally all the big corpos we hate now were beloved when they started. Kagi already dropped their first paid tier from 500 to 300 searches per month. I am not saying that they will necessarily enshittify but I would certainly not assume they won't just because the...

I think you missed a “no” before “guarantee”

yes. thanks.

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ryannathans aussie.zone ryannathans@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-09-20
#49 · Quote Reply

Who the fuck "installs" DuckDuckGo? It's a website! ::: spoiler spoiler (To everybody about to tell me they have a browser app thing too: that's just stupid, IDGAF, shut up. DuckDuckGo is a place you use your real browser, i.e. Firefox, to navigate to.) :::

To everyone who says I'm wrong, you're stupid, IDGAF!

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