That’s assuming they get tipped.

Ha, we got asked to leave last night. Though we were a big group (6) and the restaurant was very small (seating for less than 30). We didn't mind and left a cash tip

It is not the fault of the customer that the management refuses to pay the wait staff a living wage. It is not the responsibility of the customer to subsidize the management's failure to make a profit if they cannot afford to pay a living wage. If they cannot afford to pay the employee and still make a profit, it's not a business. It's a scam.

High throughput still helpful though. More rolls of the dice mean more chances to get a tip

Wow whining about your business (and low key guilt tripping me) after I just helped you by using your service. I'm not coming back

The customer is one of the beneficiaries of this alleged scam, which makes me dubious about the placement of responsibilities. It sounds like the customer is high on capitalistic copium.

The customer is not a beneficiary of tipping culture.

"I chose a job where I work a 6 hour shift and expect to get 20% or more of whatever you're arbitrarily paying because I carried over three plates and a couple drinks. For some reason, I get paid more if you ordered the $60 Steak and Lobster instead of the $18 hamburger and fries. I will actively fight against the removal of tips in exchange for a normal hourly wage, because I make way more from tips than what I'd make as a person who walks across a room carrying a plate".

I chose a job

You mean that was the only job they could find? Ignoring everything else that's wrong with your comment you gave the ignorance away with your second word

Correct, the customer benefits from enabling the employer to deprive th employee of a living wage. Their patronage facilitates the practice.

So yes, the customer is not a beneficiary of tipping culture, but they benefit by ignoring tipping culture at the cost of employees (in absence of robust living wage regulations or practices).

But that's not what happens in tipping culture. In tipping culture giving a tip is the default action. Only a small number of customers aren't going to leave a tip.

Honestly, the wait staff benefits a lot from tipping culture. I worked at a Fuddruckers part time after school washing dishes, and I'd occasionally fill in if a "server" was out. Server is in quotes because all they did was refill drinks and grab extra sauce. Customers placed and picked up their order at the counter.

In a 6 hour shift I'd usually walk out with over $500.

The customer is pretty much the only loser in tipping culture.

I don't see the problem:

According to my rudimentary research, the average franchise owner makes $118,00 / year (take home, after other things are accounted for). If you break that into 52 weeks and 40 hour work weeks, that suggests a (very rough) $52/hour.

https://franchisebusinessreview.com/post/how-much-franchise-owners-make/

And your argument is that sometimes the service worker can make as much as that, if they are tipped successfully.

I personally think that - while I would prefer to live in a world where a living wage was guaranteed and we could honorably discard tipping culture - in lieu of such regulation, this seems preferable to management making that same profit and the worker being offered poverty wages.

I'm not defending tipping culture, I'm just saying that it doesn't benefit the consumer. And it's not like places that have tipping are cheaper than those who don't.

We have a coffee shop in town that does not allow tipping because they pay a living wage. If you try to tip them, even if it's just a "keep the change" they'll refuse but offer to subtract it from the next person's order. Their prices are lower than Starbucks for much better coffee.

You're very obviously not defending tipping culture. I am defending tipping culture as an organic solution to a structural issue. Is it a good solution? Not really, but more equitable than not tipping in the current state of society.

Your argument so far (as it reads by me) appears to suggest we should all stop tipping and the market will magically correct itself because (sometimes?) you go to a coffee shop that chooses to be more internally equitable.

I want to believe you have some plan as to how we get to a situation where restaurants (like McDonalds) are expected to pay a living wage, but right now, hoping that they do it voluntarily strains credibility.

Can you give me more of what you propose than "maybe not tipping is better" and "I know of a restaurant that voluntarily fixed this issue".

Spoken like a true server or relation of one. It's a remedial job that supports business owners from having to pay fair wages, and has since festered out into "I poured you a coffee" or "I made you fastfood". Tip culture is a cancer.

I just used the coffee shop as an example of higher wages not meaning higher prices, which is a super common argument against talks about using policy to get rid of the tipped wage minimum in favor of the standard minimum wage (and increasing the standard minimum wage).

Hey USians, fuck tipping 'culture', keep it the fuck away from the rest of the world (looking at you DoorDash or whatever, I don't use it, but I see default software obviously from the US because basically everywhere else just pays servers etc.) That's what you get for killing unions.

Rest of the world, stay strong, never tip via app especially, never tip. Perhaps have a bit of cash on hand for truly exceptional cases, but know you're doing the right thing not tipping long term. Fuck tipping.

Maybe ask him how much he makes an hour and tip him immediately based on how long the couple intends to stay.

e.g. $30/hr x 30 minutes longer = immediate tip of $15

ITT: I feel like I'm going insane