cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/47231280

cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/47231247

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People who realize they have been wrong can be incredibly valuable allies. I appreciate what he's doing.

Real, I don't get why some people excommunicate them for their past actions.

If you don't let them in nobody's going to move back to the reasonable side...

I don't get why some people excommunicate them for their past actions.

There are definitely a few people on Lemmy who have lost relatives or been personally fucked over by the military. I can 1000% understand why these people are not necessarily ready to forgive veterans, even ones who try to right their wrongs.

Fact of the matter is: they are not owed forgiveness, no matter how hard they try, how much work they put in, how much they sacrifice. It's that simple. Some people are just not gonna forgive you for your service. For the veterans in the chat, part of your journey has to be to learn to understand and live with this reality, and to work around it as best as you are able.

And just in general: you are never ever ever owed forgiveness, no matter what. Full stop.

To be clear: I personally think the person shown here is doing the right thing. I will be forever grateful to this guy for putting his body on the line against ICE for us like he is doing in the video. And he seems to be on a good trajectory. But that's my privileged -ass opinion, coming from someone who's never been personally hurt by veterans, someone who has nothing to even forgive him for. I.e., my view rightly has no bearing on the opinions and analyses of people who have been brutalized by veterans. So if someone else is not ready to forgive this guy, that's something we just gotta respect.

New Jersey is learning the hardway Democrats are on the same side.
Vets need to realize you’ve been conned, and need to react accordingly. Otherwise you're still brownshirts.

propaganda being as good as it is, aside, there is no-one alive today who volunteered for the military and is a good and smart person. i can get behind supporting drafted people and can get behind helping legal battles for people waking up and wanting to leave the mil.

but those who leave are still going to have to sit with the facts that they did a thing. i can only hope it informs their actions in the future. (ie: op)

When are people going to actually start fighting back against these fascist gestapo motherfuckers? They will run like cowards the second people do, because they're nothing but a bunch of bitches hiding behind military gear and masks because they can't feel strong any other way.

They still have hope in the midterms. If that doesn't work then they might start to get violent. Never seperate a liberal from their ballot box.

Of course they're not owed anybody's forgiveness, but something tells me this attitude isn't reserved to people personally impacted by the actions of the military (i.e. I'm inclined to think it's usually more of a problem of general judgmentalness).