Link: https://cybernews.com/tech/germany-bavaria-microsoft/

Another major institution is moving away from Big Tech. More are expected to follow

So, no money for the project?

Regional news website Mittelstand in Bayern reports that Microsoft services would have cost nearly €1 billion ($1.16 billion) over a five-year period.

Instead, Bavaria will pursue a “sovereign basic workspace” based on open-source components.

So it won't save a billion euros because there will be costs to the new system too.

Edit: This is not just Microsoft office, this will be cloud storage, servers, security, and a whole bunch of other stuff I don’t know about. Those servers will have to be built and powered and staffed. Servers and staff are not free, they cost money.

They are so good at moving away from Microsoft that they did it twice!

Yeah it'll only save nearly a billion euro instead of a billion euros.

What's the difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars?

About a billion dollars.

This is not just Microsoft office, this was cloud storage, servers, security, and a whole bunch of other stuff I don't know about. Those servers will have to be built and powered and staffed. Servers and staff are not free, they cost money.

yeah, but pretty sure it's worth. the cost to download and install something like libreoffice is the same like ms office, but without the license fees. some ppl will need training tho

See edit. This is not just office people.

they already have other servers and staff. they just scale it up

Surely the CSU will find ways to fuck it up before the new solution matures and proves itself. I have zero trust in any government led by Söder.

Hinter den Kulissen tobte monatelang ein erbitterter Streit innerhalb der bayerischen Regierungskoalition. Während das CSU-geführte Finanzministerium unter Albert Füracker primär bestehende Verträge konsolidieren und finanzielle Rabatte sichern wollte, drängte Digitalminister Fabian Mehring (Freie Wähler) vehement auf eine ergebnisoffene Neubewertung.

And that costs money. JFC.

It's usually cheaper in the long run to own something instead of renting it, especially if you don't want to be locked into something susceptible to price increases.

I am also curious about what the actual cost would be, but I suspect it will be cheaper than renting the service from Microsoft. You get a lot of extra junk with subscriptions, and you don't need to replicate that when you only pay for the stuff you need.

The point is solid though. We shouldn't be selling these stories as cost cutting, but rather investing in a local community's future

It does not mean a billion saved JFC.

Nor does it mean you're not susceptible to price increases, because the next company can just increase prices. And they will because guess what costs tend to go up. JFC. Y'all have funny ideas how money works.

It does not mean a billion saved JFC.

I didn't say that. I agreed with you that the true cost estimates should be listed and that the content of the article doesn't back up the headline.

Nor does it mean you're not susceptible to price increases, because the next company can just increase prices

The implication is that they would own the infrastructure directly instead of relying on someone else to provide the service.

If they did move to a small hosting provider, it would still be easier to negotiate a reasonable deal since you can always move to a competitor. Something that's much harder to do if you move everything to the Microsoft ecosystem. I think people understand that costs will go up over time. What they're trying to avoid is unpredictable and unreasonable price increases once MS knows that they don't have other options.

Put simply, if you give away control, you'll pay more in the long run.

You entered a thread where I have to constantly have to explain that it does not save a billion dollars, and you're surprised that when you didn't state something that I continued the conversation as is? JFC there's no point in this.

Who are they going to get to do this cloud storage? European companies. So no they (the government) won't own it. JFC. So they are still susceptible to price increases JFC.

Small hosting? Small companies tend to be less efficient. JFC.

Where are electricity prices higher? EU or US? US is cheaper. JFC. That goes for cooling too.

Where are land prices higher? EU or US? US is cheaper. JFC.

You think this is all because MS has negotiating essentially monopoly power? They don't because Amazon and google and facebook are breathing down their neck. The main thing stopping those companies is that MS made Office conveniently tied into cloud. Stop acting like MS has a monopoly so they can just jack prices up however they want.

The only thing they will be saving on is the software (and does not includes software support), and only the parts that they can get open source because there is a fuckton of security and access management software. It's not just office and windows.

You guys have no clue about business. JFC. No point.

Orrrrrrrrr I'm not cross checking everyone's username on each new message with each past message. JFC. Annndddd even then, still not something he stated. JFC. And exasperation is not the same as heated. That one's a lol.