https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-where-canadian-travel-to-usa-is-falling-fastest/

I wonder if this is good for the economy?

Still too high

You may not like it, but this is what peak winning looks like.

Bullying Canadians so they stop giving us money? Winning!

Who traveled to Flint? I think the water issue caused more harm.

It must be, otherwise a political and financial genius like Trump wouldn't have done it. We plebs just have to be patient and wait for the positive results.

Why would Canadians got to Grand Rapids or North port Florida?

Most if the list makes sense but those two seem like out of place.

Grand Rapids: probably because it’s close?

North Port: cruises, I’m guessing?

For the Canadian economy and other regional holiday destinations, it is.

Mild winters in Florida. Similar for South Texas as well as being a cheaper place.

One of the University of Toronto professors behind the study, Karen Chapple, said in an interview that the decline in Grand Rapids MI suggested a drop in auto-industry business meetings due to tariffs.

i never understood why Canadians went south amyway.

• You want Hot and Humid like Florida go to Windsor, ON
• you want Arizona heat and desert go to Ossoyos, BC
• you want a miles of Surfable Ocean with Sandy beach, go to Long Beach Tofino, Vancouver Island, BC
• etc

Our country has an amazing range of varied landscapes. And with climate change we at seeing 38-40C in BC summers, no need for a trip to a hot country

Flint, MI just can't catch a break…

We can pump these numbers higher.

This is been my argument for a long time, People don't care, People just want to do what they know.

I agree with you, but also I want to emphasize that there is a cost to all of us from this. Canada is more dynamic and vibrant when it interacts with its neighbors, so is the US, which means that by being toxic shitty neighbors the US holds Canada back and diminishes it.

This is the cost of having shitty neighbors, you lose out on the natural wealth that arises from living next to good neighbors.

It is very important that it is not lost in the narrative that an interconnected economy is beneficial to everybody involved, and that the US damaging the trust necessary for this has real longterm economic consequences because it "artificially" limits the potential growth the US could be experiencing from more interaction with the Canadian economy and vice versa.

This is a crime that has been done that neither the majority of people in the US nor Canada really wanted, which isn't to argue that it isn't wise for Canada to become more independent from the US just to point out what prosperity has been toppled here.

Sure, but where do you go for those things in the winter? Who's travelling to Arizona in the summer? And who's surfing in Tofino in the winter?

Its not the Florida part, its north port. North Port is about 5 miles from where I'm at right now and about 8 miles from where I grew up. I don't dislike North Port but with Venice, Fort Meyers, Cape Coral, and Punts Gorda right there it seems like a strange pick.

Makes sense sense there must be more auto industry than I've seen.

There is a cost to all of us, but not all costs are economic. Economic interchange is good, but I think we may have been sold a line when it comes to the value of economic interdependence, especially with countries we lack common values with. Our hurry to grow our economic integration with others has deeply undermined our ability to set our own course as a nation, and now more than ever we're facing the consequences of that decision to not stand on our own two feet, when it's easier to rely on foreign supply chains. We should absolutely work to diversify our economic relationships, but we have to acknowledge that the days where we can trade away our domestic resilience for the efficiency of market specialization are behind us. We need domestic manufacturing and processing, even if it's going to require subsidy and we need to work on boosting domestic self-sufficiency. We need to recognize that ultimately, the only ones that we can always depend on are each other, we need to work hard to help build trust internally. Integrity is worth more than all the oil and gold on Earth right now, and we need to very quickly move to make our system reflect that.

Everywhere near the Mexican border and Florida getting the biggest drops, makes sense.

Canada needs to separate economically because the US is actively preparing Alberta for an invasion, they're almost at the "handing out us passports to secessionists" stage.

This isn't like "oh they belched in front of my mom", this is "they are actively discussing annexation".

Canada will become a Chinese vassal state if it wants to maintain a scrap of sovereignty.

I went to Florida last year to fulfill a life long dream of visiting Cape Canaveral. I got to watch a Falcon 9 launch and go on a guided tour with a former astronaut.

Windsor doesn't have that.

We need to recognize that ultimately, the only ones that we can always depend on are each other

Yes but this sentiment extends globally too.

Again I fully support Canada becoming more independent I am just saying that we do need all of each other, isolationism is always worse in the end, which doesn't mean we have to be maximalist about it or not recognize the damage economic systems have done that have promoted offshoring industries.

What it means is that we need to all recognize when a shitty leader or administration topples a collective prosperity and causes everything to atomize that at a basic mathematical level it diminishes the overall potential of everybody who experiences that shattering. That is part of the basic crime of it, and we shouldn't let those shitty people get away with not answering to that crime just because Canada is in the mood for more isolationism right now in an understandable and justifiable way.

You want Hot and Humid like Florida go to Windsor, ON

Speaking as someone from just across the border in Detroit, Miami is way more pleasant in the winter then Detroit. Even outside the winter it's a nice vacation spot because the beaches won't give you ecoli.

After the polar caps finish melting, neither will Florida.

Yeah this seems like a time we should be pumping resources into the Federal Business Development Bank, or whatever they call it now, as Canadian business pundit-of-the-day always complains about the lack of investment funds being a barrier to building up local industry.

The BDC (I checked , that's the latest name) may be making a difference but it's not enough. Whole sectors should receive massive public attention.

Largely has to do with how expensive it is to fly within Canada. Attempted to book flights from Edmonton -> Toronto recently, $800 round trip for a no frills flight aside from a carry on bag.

Granted this price surge is directly related to Trump, but it's generally more expensive to fly within Canada

After having seen the average elevation there and how flat everything is, I believe it. It's just that at my age it was go now or never.

why yuma?

I guess two of the three people that usually go stopped.

Wtf... thats like four people to multiple capitals and cities, coasts etc here in the eu.

I agree with the sentiment that isolationism is not the answer, but I also think we need to accept reality that as the US falls apart our global supply chains are going to be incredibly vulnerable going forward. I don't want to end foreign trade, but the extreme fragility of just-in-time supply chains is simply not going to be an option, likely ever again. If we cannot provide at least a minimum level of self-sufficiency, we cannot consider ourselves a legitimate nation. Period. If the US decided to enforce an illegal embargo on Canada the way it's doing to Cuba right now, how long do you think we'd last? With the human and natural resources we have, there is absolutely no excuse for the fact that the correct answer is "Not very long." When you live next door to a nation of pirates, raiders, and thieves, not being capable of weathering a siege is incompetence and mismanagement. Having a minimum level of strategic domestic production of everything from glass, to chips, to refined oil products is table stakes.

This is absolutely the right answer. If we can't find foreign investment, it's time to create some domestically in strategic critical industries. If necessary we should be willing to spin up crown corps to cover critical resources as well.

It’s got a gigantic snowbird population because it’s the warmest city in the US in the winter, plus it doesn’t rain. It’s super cheap, and only a few hours to San Diego. Americans go there too for medical tourism, especially seniors. San Luis, MX is known as being relatively very safe for tourists.

Easiest thing I did today was not go to America

Yeah flights are tricky, you have to watch for cheap days now that Swoop is gone. With swoop I had $69 from Westcoast to Toronto, and a $15 return ticket plus the Toronto improvement fee. But now with Westjet the best Ive had is $200 each way

Windsor doesn't have ICE yet either

Well skiing in Whistler is a great Winter activity, or Tofino has a peak Storm Watch Season in the winter too, people book a beach house and watch the Pacific storms come in on the beaches.

I guess its easier on the west coast lower mainland because we don't have a true winter like other provinces... So there's not a huge reason to escape it.

Is there really any value in identifying which places are losing tourism faster than others if the spread is only -65% to -53%? Is there really much of a difference in impact between those two ends?

Also, it would be much more meaningful if there was some info about how much Canadian travelers contribute to a given region's overall tourism numbers. Just making up some numbers for example, if Canadians make up 10% of Tampa's tourist traffic but only 4% of Yuma's, then Tampa is going to be hit harder despite the lower rate of tourism loss.

Cheapest I've seen was $250 for round trip to Toronto, that crept to $300, and now prices are absurd.

Yup it's completely fucked. That's what happens when you've got 2 national airlines and effectively zero outside competition

Myrtle Beach is really getting hit hard.

Wait, where?

Very popular golf destination, that’s all I know about it.

To be fair, it’s a pretty dumb argument. BC has the same weather as Arizona? Absolutely absurd.

I can't believe this is an opinion anyone actually has and that 15 people upvoted it.

Why would anyone go somewhere warm in winter, I just can't figure it out. Actually this place where the daily high is normally below the overnight low of this other place is practically a 1:1 substitution.

Like some truly baffling misconception that people visit Arizona and Florida in the summer months in order to experience extreme heat.

Do you mean ever or just recently with all the ICE and 51st State bullshit? Because it's obviously not just landscapes and climate. There's probably more shit to do and people to see. Canada is a wonderful and beautiful country but even our biggest cities can be boring compared to other cities in the world AND hard to get to because of how pricey domestic travel is.

Nah, it’s a good thing when we separate ourselves from the aggressive superpower down south.

Well I never understood it before, as I did a trip a road trip down from Detroit to Florida because my family thought Disney World would be great. And I wasn't impressed by anything.
And have travelled for work to many US cities.

But recently with all the bullshit I can't believe people still go.
By all means go see historic Rome or the beauty of Czech or Portuguese architecture in their cities.

But travelling to the USA as vacation seems odd

Not every company let's you take winter vacation. Much like teachers only get summer months off, and some were travelling to Carribean or Mexico. Etc. But some people choose off season for better accommodation and flight rates.

There are some provinces like Ontario where it can be warm but you also get thunderstorms almost daily, so I'm saying if you want to escape that, travel to somewhere else in Canada...like BC we have amazing cloud free skies all summer.