Even if it happened exactly as often to the same number of people, I’d rather see the government legitimately trying and failing to meet demand than have a government fully aware of the issue and going out of their way to make it as bad as possible.

Don't worry, socialist country. A totally organic and fully domestic Color Revolution is here to save you.

Anytime anyone is ever unhappy with a government it is 100% the CIA because people have no agency of their own and every state is a utopia.

It's trivial to go to a country and find people who are unhappy with the local government.

It is comparatively quite difficult to find people who are enthusiastically in favor of a foreign military providing air support in a hostile takeover of the capital.

US Media loves to conflate the former with the later as justification for the next round of imperial incursions.

Famines are almost universally created by governments.

Hell yeah, a Primal meme template

wat? not even accurate - people who say that aren't liberals, no matter what they or anyone else calls them.

1. All famines are human created
2. The greater the degree of authority in a government structure the more common famines become

There are a variety of reasons for this but at the end of the day, if you want the people fed, you need to start by respecting the people's human dignity.

1. Bullshit
2. Also Bullshit

Democratically elected socialist governments being violently overthrown by the US is an extremely well documented phenomenon actually, you should try reading a book about it some time

Anything's possible when you make shit up

1. That's the general academic consensus. Here's just the first result I found from Radboud University: https://www.ru.nl/en/research/research-news/famines-are-largely-caused-by-human-action
2. The association between authoritarianism and famine is a developing field of anthropology: https://iss.u-tokyo.ac.jp/en/news/2026/04/20260512.html (this paper's conclusion that elections and media oversight is what makes democratization effective at famine prevention I think misses the forest for the trees. The ultimate conclusion I think when you factor in famines that are largely ignored by western media such as the dust bowl in the 1930s is that famines are structural and that it is when the workers who own the means of production, the means of production are used more effectively)

@Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml , I'm frankly a little surprised you find this to be bullshit when you've been so vocal about that workers must be fully compensated for their labor. Ultimately the reason authoritarian structures fail to meet the needs of a famished people is because of a capitalist class restricting the laborer from the output of their labor. Systems that encourage solidarity and mutual respect consistently do a better job of getting people fed.

So do you mind giving me more to work with about what your objection is than just "bullshit?" because it seems to me like this should be in alignment with your core beliefs that you've posted everywhere on Lemmy.

And the famine under communism was very obviously caused by a capitalist blockade and sanctions

You're losing and you know it.

Is... Is this a tankie community?

It must be. Nobody but tankies could possibly think ill of liberalism.

Lysenko and Stalin did nothing wrong.

Let’s just pretend capitalism and colonialism haven’t killed billions of people. Anyway what I said was factually correct whether it triggered your whataboutism or not

Lol stay mad

what is your problem with the concept? i can put together more tomorrow after work but… what the fuck is this? and why the need to call me a halfwit? you won't tell me, specifically, what your objection to the notion the a small number of people controlling the means of production instead of the workers creating favorable conditions for famine is. it feels on my end of the conversation like you just want to be mad and that i have received your ire.

to reiterate: it's really far away from your usual leftist ethos, especially in leftist memes, that i need some input as to what your problem is before i put in the work because otherwise this seems like you're just trolling to troll.

as for the first result thing, i was just trying to introduce you to the concept that it's not just me saying this. i promise i can find more it's just been a few years since i had access to academic journals. the idea that capitalist greed causes famines is not a new notion, it shouldn't be hard to find more.

i'm not going to address the "developing field" "critique" since it's patently absurd to expect academia to remain static, especially when it has such a white supremacist legacy. applying marxist analysis to food systems and political theory in conjunction should be catnip for a person proudly calling themselves a "tankie" in their bio. you're attacking this is so absurd i don't even know what to say. it makes me discount every tangentially leftist thing you've ever said, to be honest, because if you don't want to investigate how capitalist greed causes famine… how do you even call yourself a leftist?

Stop being insulting and derailing good faith discussion

If people really want Lemmy to grow, the commie propaganda needs to stop. It's so effin dumb

They actually haven't, it was their own fault individually each time. Is OP not rendering?

Don't want another libshit reddit website sorry

The glory of Lemmy is that you can choose which instances you wish to participate in :)

Found the liberal who doesn't understand what liberalism is.

No. Liberals can go fuck themselves.

youre fucking dumb for not just blocking instances you disagree with

This would be an interesting concept in a city builder/colony sim type game - you can choose to give loose directives and have the people achieve it in their own way, but you have little control over how it happens, or you can choose to micromanage, which reduces the 'free will' of the people, meaning you now need mo manage more of the colony's day-to-day needs.

Urbek plays with this a little but certainly not to the degree i think you're envisioning. you can implement policies that give you short term economic boosts but they almost always come with long term disadvantages. meanwhile you can also plan for long term prosperity in your city but that requires more patience.

i think i perceive what you're describing as being more like Anno, Banished, or Timberborn but with short term incentives to overwork your workers and long term incentives to not. i think that might actually wind up hewing pretty close to dwarf fortress or gnomoria, just with some slightly different interactions

That's the gist yeah.. like, I could create a directive that there needs to be a mine near some resource, and people would naturally go make the mine, but then make some houses, shops, roads, schools, etc. and eventually the mine becomes a village.

Or, I could assign specific people to do nothing buy build a mine, others to build houses, roads and so on. That would allow the projects to build faster and exactly how I want, but they would exclusively do the task assigned until they starve/revolt/etc. unless I pay flawless attention to assignments and re-assign workers to new tasks or put them on leave to take care of themselves.

Maybe have a research/policy tree that allows me to unlock things like work shifts, weekends/time off, resource allocation, markets, etc. all with their own benefits and ramifications.

i'd structure it so the tutorial gives the impression you're supposed to oppress your people but make it so the win conditions are easier to achieve if you don't union bust

that'd be fun, but I think people would catch on pretty quick unless there were some bottleneck events that can be achieved that way if things are well-planned, but would be "easier" done by going authoritarian... but that approach could have consequences further down the line. Just enough to keep that temptation going

i.e.: Town B needs resources from Town A, but they're a long distance apart and nobody is building roads. You could plan a road and hope people build it in time, or you can force people to build it, at the risk of injury/death, which also increases anti-government sentiments. However, not building the road causes Town B to go into famine, but that could have been avoided if you placed the towns a little closer together or something

If by "tankie" you mean communists then yes yes it is

I mean tankie. I know this is poking fun at liberals, but denying the holodomor is tankie bullshit. It happened, it was horrible, the soviet government was to blame. You can be a good communist and still recognize this atrocity

found the horseshoe man

Underappreciated comment.

The trouble is that it's also an awfully convenient excuse for non-western authoritarian states to clamp down on so-called 'color revolutions', even when they are organic. And the fact this whole theory was concocted by Lydon LaRouche does not exactly add credibility. I acknowledge there have been obvious cases of this happening, but there's also many examples of oppressive regimes blaming popular uprisings on "outside agitators".

Cool story

It's just OP had has been spamming this community with tankie shit, I just found out. The rest of the community is probably fine. No worries