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dandelion
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applebusch (she/her)
lemmy.blahaj.zone
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-11-11 |
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dandelion
lemmy.blahaj.zone
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2024-03-02 |
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it is disappointing, for many reasons ... I hope they push back on the executive order in other ways, but I worry that this signals that the NY attorney general is less likely to enforce NY laws about this ... since, the new clinic would clearly be in violation of anti-discrimination laws written to protect access to this care in particular. I understand not wanting to threaten access to care for adults, but the executive order is not a law and shouldn't be treated that way, meanwhile NY has actual laws to prevent this kind of discrimination - so in some sense they are choosing illegal discrimination out of fear of retribution for an order that doesn't carry the legal weight it claims to ... not unlike Trump's other illegal executive orders which attempted to end birth-right citizenship and other absurdities - we shouldn't give those executive orders power by respecting them, but I understand that may not be the most pragmatic path. |
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hexagon527
lemmy.blahaj.zone
hexagon527@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-10-02 |
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if it were really sacrificing us there wouldn't be a clinic at all... but i understand the frustration at compromise. like OP has already said, they could've stood firmer on the laws in place to protect us. but it's hardly sacrificing. |
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switcheroo
lemmy.world
switcheroo@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-08-01 |
It's a compromise and probably the best we'll get while we have to deal with the fascists in all branches of Gov right now. |
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Pronell
lemmy.world
Pronell@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-02 |
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The unfortunate reality is that not having that policy would mean 80% of their funding would go to legal defense for lawsuits from aggrieved right wing parents who have outside funding for their suits. Until the laws state clearly that minors can make their own medical decisions independent of their parents, this is the correct decision. And even in that case this clinic would still be under attack. Reality still sucks, and we still need to keep trying to make it better. Mamdani is a ray of hope, but he isn't in and of himself hope incarnate, nor is he a perfect ray of light. He's just human. So are we. He's trying to make things better, and so can we. |
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frustrated_phagocytosis
fedia.io
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io Joined: 2024-03-03 |
What's with this creep towards taking adulthood from 18 year olds? How can you shift the cutoff a year like that? |
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dandelion
lemmy.blahaj.zone
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2024-03-02 |
What's with this creep towards taking adulthood from 18 year olds? How can you shift the cutoff a year like that?
it makes it that much easier to increment it for more adults, and it has forced hospitals into capitulating to not providing care to legal adults (making that a null argument later) - it's just designed to setup the next step of removing all gender affirming care for trans individuals |
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TheLeadenSea
sh.itjust.works
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-04 |
I'd like to remind the trans kids who were denied prescription care that diy exists and is safer than a natal puberty that'll have lasting changes you don't want |
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Sophienomenal
lemmy.blahaj.zone
Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2024-12-03 |
I'd like to remind the trans kids who were denied prescription care that diy exists and is safer than a natal puberty that'll have lasting changes you don't want
Yes, that's true (I utilize that option myself as an adult), but procuring $100 in bitcoin to get a vial shipped to you is not feasible for 9-12 year olds, nor are homebrew hormone blockers available (and good luck sourcing T, as it's a controlled substance). This messaging should be directed at the parents, not the children, and even then it only applies for estradiol and progesterone. |
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TheLeadenSea
sh.itjust.works
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-04 |
Yes, that's true (I utilize that option myself as an adult), but procuring $100 in bitcoin to get a vial shipped to you is not feasible for 9-12 year olds, nor are homebrew hormone blockers available (and good luck sourcing T, as it's a controlled substance). This messaging should be directed at the parents, not the children, and even then it only applies for estradiol and progesterone.
If anyone in the UK needs help sourcing T or E, even as a minor, DM me and I can put you in touch with the right person |
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Tiresia
slrpnk.net
Tiresia@slrpnk.net Joined: 2024-07-16 |
It's a compromise and probably the best we'll get while we have to deal with the fascists in all branches of Gov right now.
Yep. That's the nature of compromising with fascists. Today's compromise is the best you'll ever get. |
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Tiresia
slrpnk.net
Tiresia@slrpnk.net Joined: 2024-07-16 |
The unfortunate reality is that not having that policy would mean 80% of their funding would go to legal defense for lawsuits from aggrieved right wing parents who have outside funding for their suits. Until the laws state clearly that minors can make their own medical decisions independent of their parents, this is the correct decision. And even in that case this clinic would still be under at...
So have the government pay for the organisation's legal defense by raising taxes on vacant properties in accordance to their value. Congratulations, now the far right is paying 160% of this company's budget worth on training left-leaning lawyers. |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
The unfortunate reality is that not having that policy would mean 80% of their funding would go to legal defense for lawsuits from aggrieved right wing parents who have outside funding for their suits. Until the laws state clearly that minors can make their own medical decisions independent of their parents, this is the correct decision. And even in that case this clinic would still be under at...
Humanizing inhumane laws was not in my bingo card this year. |
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birdwing
lemmy.blahaj.zone
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-08-19 |
Yep. That's the nature of compromising with fascists. Today's compromise is the best you'll ever get.
When will we stop "compromising" and start making them compromise with us? Billionnaires are the root of all problems. They feed and sow nazis. |
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Tiresia
slrpnk.net
Tiresia@slrpnk.net Joined: 2024-07-16 |
When will we stop "compromising" and start making them compromise with us? Billionnaires are the root of all problems. They feed and sow nazis.
Them compromising with us means we pay reparations to slave owners, we let cops kick homeless people awake, we fund secret police to slaughter minorities that want to do better because we don't want our side of the deal to be broken. We should neither accept nor offer compromise. We need their unconditional surrender, their disarmament, and their dissolution. Not out of punishment or vengeance, but out of simple safety. None of us are free until all of us are free. |
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Pronell
lemmy.world
Pronell@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-02 |
Humanizing inhumane laws was not in my bingo card this year.
I am identifying obstacles to making this clinic able to operate without being overrun by lawsuits. I am not at all opposed to workarounds - it's why I am pointing out the obstacles. We need to update laws so that minors have bodily autonomy. In my opinion, that's the legal solution. It doesn't mean there aren't other ways to make it work that Mamdani might embrace, because as a mayor he cannot enact that kind of legislation in the first place. |
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isleepinahammock
lemmy.blahaj.zone
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-09-06 |
The unfortunate reality is that not having that policy would mean 80% of their funding would go to legal defense for lawsuits from aggrieved right wing parents who have outside funding for their suits. Until the laws state clearly that minors can make their own medical decisions independent of their parents, this is the correct decision. And even in that case this clinic would still be under at...
This is literally how most of the crimes of the Holocaust happened. Remember that whole "first they came for..." poem? Ever wonder what people who don't speak up told themselves at night to sleep better? They said things like:
They said things like, "I'm just a town clerk. Now I've been asked to turn over the records of the names and addresses of all the Jewish people in town. If I don't turn them over, the fascists will come down on my head. If I have to spend all my efforts in a doomed fight against them, I won't be able to do any good. Best just to turn over the lists of Jews and focus on battles I can win. They're going to find those Jews one way or another." The Holocaust happened through a thousand such individual compromises. And these small battles DO matter. If fascists have to spend all their efforts fighting against people overtly or covertly resting their efforts, they slow to a crawl. They only have so many resources. (In this case, Trump only has so many lawyers on staff.) Every person who refuses to fight however they can ends up directly enabling the fascists. If everyone fought, then they would get nowhere. The Holocaust happened in stages, one category of people being declared unhuman after another. In each stage, people could tell themselves, "yes, I could speak up and do what little I can to fight this to protect this group, but I would be letting down all these other people if I tried to protect the targeted minority." Fascists count on people not fighting back, to comply in advance. And the greatest way liberal enablers coddle fascists is by telling themselves that following the whims of the fascist will still be the greater good. "The greater good" is the greatest tool of a fascist. |
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isleepinahammock
lemmy.blahaj.zone
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-09-06 |
if it were really sacrificing us there wouldn't be a clinic at all... but i understand the frustration at compromise. like OP has already said, they could've stood firmer on the laws in place to protect us. but it's hardly sacrificing.
"First I did not stand up for trans children, because I was not a trans child..." It's just a minority of a minority, what's some dead children in the name of political expediency? |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
I am identifying obstacles to making this clinic able to operate without being overrun by lawsuits. I am not at all opposed to workarounds - it's why I am pointing out the obstacles. We need to update laws so that minors have bodily autonomy. In my opinion, that's the legal solution. It doesn't mean there aren't other ways to make it work that Mamdani might embrace, because as a mayor he cannot...
Lawsuits will occur regardless how Corona Sexual Health Clinic(CSHC) follow the law, because Americans are continuing their Fascist descent. Opposing fascism wherever it creeps up is humanitarian care. CSHC & NYC need to disobey fascist laws + demands, by force. The only way facism ends is by killing it from the roots. And that start at making a pro-bono hospital for all in need of care, including our younger siblings. |
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gandalf_die_12te
lemmy.blahaj.zone
gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2024-06-10 |
an option i see is an older acquaintance getting medicine for younger people, like older siblings often buy alcohol for underage people at the store in my country. but that would be inofficial and comes with its own drawbacks |
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Another Catgirl
lemmy.blahaj.zone
anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2023-06-15 |
that age gate of 19y.o. might be unconstitutional discrimination. constitution quoteEqual protection of laws; discrimination in civil rights prohibited. § 11. (a) No person shall be denied the equal protection of the laws of this state or any subdivision thereof. No person shall, because of race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, disability, creed, religion, or sex, including sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, pregnancy, pregnancy outcomes, and reproductive healthcare and autonomy, be subjected to any discrimination in their civil rights by any other person or by any firm, corporation, or institution, or by the state or any agency or subdivision of the state, pursuant to law. (b) Nothing in this section shall invalidate or prevent the adoption of any law, regulation, program, or practice that is designed to prevent or dismantle discrimination on the basis of a characteristic listed in this section, nor shall any characteristic listed in this section be interpreted to interfere with, limit, or deny the civil rights of any person based upon any other characteristic identified in this section. (New. Adopted by Constitutional Convention of 1938 and approved by vote of the people November 8, 1938; amended by vote of the people November 6, 2001; amended by vote of the people November 5, 2024.) it seems like discrimination by age. Surely a minor can convince a participating hospital to provide treatment despite its rules about age by presenting this part of the constitution. |
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Shadow Glider
piefed.blahaj.zone
Shadow_Glider@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-06-09 |
If anyone in the UK needs help sourcing T or E, even as a minor, DM me and I can put you in touch with the right person
waow (BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED) |
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𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍
lemmy.world
Witchfire@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-10-07 |
What's with this creep towards taking adulthood from 18 year olds? How can you shift the cutoff a year like that?
It's coming from Trump. It's well known that he wants to take HRT from adults too. He just simply doesn't view us as human and doesn't think we should exist. |
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𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍
lemmy.world
Witchfire@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-10-07 |
an option i see is an older acquaintance getting medicine for younger people, like older siblings often buy alcohol for underage people at the store in my country. but that would be inofficial and comes with its own drawbacks
It's hard enough to get the medicine for yourself. I've been on it for 12 years and still struggle to renew. |
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