Did you go to little Bobby Two Pints's birthday party? The little shit falls asleep after two pints of whiskey. Wimp.

When someone asks me my age and I feel like being a smartass, I tell them I'm "younger than my tongue, older than teeth". Sometimes I sub "asshole" for "tongue" depending on my mood

I don't have kids and do you have any idea what one of those smoothies costs. I choose 100 horse sized human embryos

Your age is defined by your birth
Thus your age before birth is negative. And an estimate. Quod erat ipsum dolor et maximus.

should also have access to rehab if they want it. can afford it.

Ftfy what kind of libertarian did you say you were

Liar, you're not a 19th century quack. Mine prescribed tincture of laudanum

It's in the Mattel Chocobot galaxy, not the Milky Way galaxy

Omelet?

Well, for starters, I don't think DOS would handle the amount of memory modern PCs use...

If we were to actually treat this as a moral dilemma, without external factors or trying to challenge the premise:

One of these is sentient. The other hundred are not. Much as my heart might bleed for the potential humans that will never be realised, my priority would be the living, feeling, crying one.

Actually, the crying might be an issue. I tend to be sensitive to some sounds, and particularly in a stressful situation, a wailing baby might be a detriment...

Still, I'm susceptible to emotional bias. I don't like babies or small children, but I won't pretend to be immune to the kind of protective reflex they tend to evoke in (sane) adults. So on top of the above reasoning, I would most likely save the baby, headache be damned.

And then I'd go and find whoever set up this cruel choice in the first place. Why would I be in such a clinic in the first place? Why would it catch on fire? Why does God hate us?

I struggle to parse the Latin. My first reading would be "That's why it was pain and the greatest..."

What does the maximus refer to? Is it an attribute to dolor, and if so, what does the et refer to?

Or am I supposed to read it as an implied duplication or retroactive emphasis? "pain, the greatest (pain) even."

Or is there something I'm missing between morning brain and rusted skills?

Or is it not actually sound Latin and I'm trying way harder than I should?

Same thing. You don't see nazis pro-lifers saying their newborn child is 9 months old

I suspected that, but couldn't find the specific bit in the Lorem Ipsum text, nor in the original its fragments were lifted from, so I assumed it was a genuine quote or self-constructed sentence.

I'll file it under "went way too hard on a throwaway blurb" then, thanks.

Jokes on you: the kid can't pay for liquor!

No. But life beginning at conception is the only logical line to draw. Every other is arbitrary. And having arbitrary set lines for who is human and who isn't is not something we should want. But banning abortion also doesn't work and is cruel. Life is complicated.

life beginning at conception is the only logical line to draw

What if the question of life or non-life is irrelevant?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer#Abortion_and_euthanasia

No. But life beginning at conception is the only logical line to draw.

No it's not, conception is just as arbitrary. Just because it's the logic you adopted doesn't mean it's the only logical choice.

At the point of conception all you are is a small group of cells that are forming something. There is no brain, there is no heart, there is no anything that would be described as human other than the DNA. At some point during the endless splitting of those cells a heart is created to push blood around the body that has developed, a body I might add looks entirely the same no matter what species you're looking at at this stage. And then, sometime long after that, a brain emerges but it's nothing like what we have when we're born. The human brain of a baby takes a long time to form. The question of "At what point does Life Begin?", is not "At what point is something alive?", it's "At what point can it be considered human and not just a small group of cells working toward being a human one day?"

Anti-abortion groups are not pro-life as they like to claim. For one, more than a few of them are pro death penalty. And for two, they don't actually care about children who are born because more than half of them actively work towards taking assistance away from single mothers and children and adoption services and Foster Care programs. Even if all they do is vote for the wrong party, they are guilty of this.

The question of "when does life begin?" is deceptive. Life does not begin at conception with each life. Life began some 3.5 billion years ago and has never stopped. Each life continues unbroken from other lives. If the complaint is that any point we choose is arbitrary, well this is what nature gave us. The only logical point to begin from is when the new life separates from the old.

And frankly, nature eats way more babies than adults.

Ok, let's take "life begins at conception". And let's say that means "life that should be legally and ethically be protected like a human being begins at conception", because if we don't add that, it doesn't actually mean anything.

At conception, we have a single cell, nothing more or less. If we logically extend that, that would mean every single cell is a protected human. If you get your appendix removed, it's a protected human that was removed and thus killed. If you remove cancer, that's a protected human.

What about the HeLa cell line? That's a line of cells derived from the cancer of Henrietta Lacks in the early 50s. These are human cells that have mutated so that they can multiply and live as single-celled organisms. Each of them are protected humans. In fact, there are more HeLa humans (by that definition) than there are actual humans.

So does this definition make any sense?

Tbh, "At what point does life begin?" is a pointless question and a false equivalence.

A removed appendix or a removed cancer are clearly human life too. They clearly live, and still there is no moral panic about "killing" someone's appendix or cancer.

The actual question here is "At what point is a human a legally protected being?" or "At what point does it make sense that legal protections cover a human being?"

Claiming that the question is "At what point does life begin?" is a purposely wrong question that is used to shift the discussion from the actual question. Because life begins as sperm and egg cells, but legally protecting these would be completely crazy. But if we are talking about "At what point does life begin?" instead of about "At what point is the embryo human enough to warrant human-level protections?" the story rapidly changes.

I’m very confused and too buzzed to scroll the comments.

If you get a pro lifer giving this excuse comment about how "When life starts and age start are different.". Then flip it into a gender vs sex being different and see where they go.

He seems like he'll be a chill drinking buddy lol🤣

Isnt it called birth day for a reason?

I'm buzzed enough to just imagine what went on, and in my possibly professional opinion it's aliens.

The kind that cares about individual liberty, not the "bUt WhO's GoInG tO pAy FoR iT" kind.

Don't be ridiculous. Babies can't consent to treatment!

Cue running to an anti-abortion with a ball of human hair and screaming, "BEHOLD, A MAN!"

I really liked your first paragraph. I can't argue with you regarding the second because I'm not USAian and thus live in completley different socio-political landscape.

At what point can it be considered human and not just a small group of cells working toward being a human one day?

This is intelectually stimulating position. But this same line of thought can be traced further into extremes such as eugenics and scientific racism. Because of these historical aberrations that stem from this same principle, I reject this position and thus adopt position that life begins at conception. And trying to discriminate who/what is human is dangerous and should not be done.

In your first paragraph you are directly attaching legal consequences which I explicitly did not propose in my original comment.

at least homie's not knee deep in debts at 30. practically dodged a bullet

Elon Musk sized.

But... conception is when the swimmer breaks into the egg, which happened after the egg was thawed out.

If the unfertilized egg is the start of life, then this whole argument just got a lot more stupid.

Yes... which happened back in 1994 just before the embyro was frozen.

And trying to discriminate who/what is human is dangerous and should not be done.

By that logic, cancer treatments should be illegal.

I do not find much logic in your reply. But fear not, to me you are still human! Have a great day!

Cancer is made of a living human cells growing to its own means. Killing it is killing a human by your logic.

trying to discriminate who/what is human is dangerous and should not be done.

People who eat meat and eggs already make this distinction. You want to get rough and stupid? Then let's get rough and stupid.

I read that cut-off sign as saying

“YAY!

IT’S

TRANSFEM”

and all I could think was “imagine knowing that early AND having supportive parents”

Instead of trying to define a point where something is a human based on how much it has developed, because of the associated risks and historical failings, your standpoint is that life begins at conception.

Did I understand correctly?

The baby's 30 so it's not that early /s

Well it says embryo not egg

I always thought of the question as "at what point is it a human being". I think we could both agree that a cut of arm is living tissue and not a human being. From this point of view, the original question stand in my opinion (and could somewhat be equated to yours).

Why would I be in such a clinic in the first place?

You are visiting your partner at the their place of work, which happens to be a lab, with your newborn baby and an accident happens and a fire breaks out. ^/s^

I believe I would save the baby simply because I can emotionally relate to it and not a flask with some frozen content.

Wave, pray... ? transform? is that what her shirt says?

What if baby was born in Asia?

Correct