I feel like trying to persuade people to leave Windows purely from a privacy angle is being too specific or extreme for those who really don't care/gave up. I think a great, alternative way to win people over would be to simply point out how much more efficient it is and energy-saving for their own electric bills.

Just don't warn them about how much energy they may end up ironically expending as a result of tinkering with it and fixing issues and finding cool stuff like Burn My Windows, haha... 🤫

Not been my experience at all, and I use both Windows and Linux laptops every day (lots of testing in my lab).

With some effort I can make Linux power management similar to Windows default (depending on the specific hardware and distro).

Unfortunately the latest hardware often doesn't support true S3 sleep, and depends on the OS to keep it quiescent, which is a whole bucket of a shit show regardless of the OS.

But then my use-case for each OS is different. I don't compare them because they're different tools.

I don't think you understand how little, efficiency, is going to work.

I could run my 3080 full time at full bore and it'll cost me $40. That's 24x7.

The average user is taking $10-$20 a year Delta.

If you want people to actually switch, it needs to work. Now where are the 5 nerds here to tell me it's bug free but I just need to get rid of my Nvidia card 🙄

Now where are the 5 nerds here to tell me it’s bug free but I just need to get rid of my Nvidia card 🙄

hi I am here. But you're barking up the wrong tree. Ask NVIDIA to fix their shit on Linux. It's unreasonable for open source devs to fix it when they don't even have access to the source code for NVIDIA drivers?

It's not your fault, but it is your problem to fix it you all care about adoption 🤷‍♂️.

Not your fault but is your problem

I say this all the time for so many different situations. :/

Not really our 'problem'. We can get some adoption without meeting every closed source corner case. That adoption will bring better support as the market moves

Perfect is the enemy of better. Let's get the adoption story to be better. It doesn't need to be perfect.

Well, on older gear that software compatibility reporter Spyware thing can certainly chew up some CPU time.

Been using Nvidia on Linux for a long time and it mostly works just fine. On occasion a game doesn't work right, in which case I wait a while on that particular game until it does work.

Relish your mustard, and ketchup to us!

I have a huge bowl of leftover mustard from a party that I've gotta gradually eat through, but you may certainly have all my nonexistent ketchup; ranch any day!

Sorry, I don't understand what you're referring to...

When people talk about dual booting because they are unsure I always say. hey if you have your last machine and it works throw linux on that and you will be amazed how it runs better than your new windows.

With electricity prices going up, I've actually had people make that decision based on price.

true S3 sleep

What is this? I've never heard of it before...

$40/year for 24/7 running? Really? Hmm... I've gotta educate myself on these numbers, I suppose... Also, I have a 3080, too, lol.

I could run my 3080 full time at full bore and it’ll cost me $40. That’s 24x7.

The average user is taking $10-$20 a year Delta.

RTX 3080 draws up to 350 watts max.

Energy cost varies wildly per location.

Looking at: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-electricity-by-country

• The average cost of electricity in the US is 0.18USD per kWh
• The average cost of electricity in the UK is 0.40USD per kWh

Sidenote 1: Even within the two countries above, there's going to be massive regional differences, but we're just looking at the averages

Sidenote 2: Other places may have cheaper electricity (e.g. Argentina at 0.08USD per kWh) but that's only half the story since the people there make a lot less money so it still takes up a significant cost for them.

Running the card at those costs 24x7 is:

• US: $10.58USD per week, $552.26USD per year
• UK: $23.52USD per week, $1,227.24USD per year

So a little bigger than:

The average user is taking $10-$20 a year Delta.

Going further, assuming an average 4 year card lifespan, that's:

• US: $2,209.04USD
• UK: $4,908.96USD

I'm still struggling to make Clip Studio Paint V1 run on it, I ended up having to boot into my windows drive and install it there to download my owned assets, but after changing over my computer to Linux it never BSOD crashes, all my steam games still run, and it starts up from shutdown in mere seconds which is about 1hr 40min faster than Windows 10 LTSC did.

I'm for sure never going back to Microsoft.

I mean it is also legitimately comforting not to worry about how the company making the OS you paid money for is gonna screw you in the next round.

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Good job on doing the math on those .01% of users pulling actually 350w running a Bitcoin mine. You definitely proved me wrong with this massive edge case that went beyond my napkin math point to demonstrate the absurdity.

Autistic kids missing the forrest for the tree. Name a better pair.

Also note, since we are going off the deep end pedantic nerd shit, 'average user' while you are out there maxing the delta with edge cases.

👌👍 you'll get so many dudes by telling them to toss their Nvidia card away and go buy this specific motherboard so your Bluetooth works 🤣👌👍

Valve released a proprietary device that bumped usage 2% and y'all still believe this shit. Amazing. Just constant self sabotage.

The only reason nix + gaming is as popular as it is, is because valve has made those drivers useable and packed it up as neatly as possible.

You're the one who said 24/7

If you were off by even one order of magnitude, I'd say you have a point... But you were off by several orders of magnitude.

Not sure why it makes them autistic for checking your shit math.

What a petulant response to someone who was being very polite to you

It's a process on Windows which runs periodically, and eats a bunch of CPU time.

Hmm, I don't remember reading about this. Anyway, glad I'm off of Windows.

1hr 40min

I cannot understand this; how can a machine of any kind take so long to boot, and how did you have the patience to wait more than 5-10 min? I would've deemed it unusable by then already.

What have you tried for compatibility? I know of WINE, Bottles (which seems to have oddly disappeared from the Software Manager), etc.

That's a... really contradictory image; shouldn't he be instantly elevated to being a king with the vote indicator raising him up from beneath? We're not suicidal lol.

One day someone will issue a mea culpa when caught chatting shit on the internet but today is not that day.

Not only was it a consistent issue on my Windows 10 LTSC but I had the same problem on my Windows 7 copy before that with no software or hardware in common between the two. If you search this issue online it's a very common issue and the reccomended fix is to Reinstall Everything from scratch.

THE WORKAROUND: Never ever restart. Send into Hibernation which saves the RAM into a drive and then turns the power off.

I need it for my work, though. As I mentioned, Clip Studio Paint does not build for Linux, it must be run in Wine, such as a Bottles app, which barely works at all and definitely didn't work until just a short while ago.

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1. How odd. I've never had any PC ever take more than 5 minutes to start. I'm really amazed that you were willing to wait anywhere near that long... It makes me wonder if the installation of a certain program or something caused it because this is my first time ever hearing this.

2. Is there something that Clip Studio Paint can do that GIMP, Pinta, etc. can't?

1. Let me tell you what the breaking point actually was: I only ever really had to restart for updates which I would push back until a monthly schedule. Last time I tried to update, though, the update actually failed, so I wasted not just 1 hr 40 minutes but multiple days of work, trying and failing to fix the issue.

2. Yeah, actually, it's got the ability to create perspective rulers with snapping, and you can import custom and rigged FBX models which align to the chosen perspective. It's also got a timeline for animation. It also has a Comic Panel creation tool that renders layers in an adjustable box which saves a little bit of time compared to manually redrawing lines and filling the outside.

Wow, I had no idea that CSP was that powerful. Interesting. And yeah, dang, that's a lot of update hassles to have to endure...

There is a program working on that also takes a long time to fully stop.
I will probably come around and troubleshoot that issue too, after fixing some of the bigger problems in it.

Maybe @FiniteBanjo@programming.dev has lots of those programs?