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More info: https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/mexico-is-officially-launching-universal-healthcare-this-week/

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BedSharkPal lemmy.ca BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca
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Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.

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eltacopeludo lemmy.dbzer0.com eltacopeludo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.

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Rhaedas fedia.io Rhaedas@fedia.io
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Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.

It's a step. Vs. medicines too expensive to buy, and doctors that you can't see for months who run you through the mill to get their numbers up. I can't say which is worse when the result is about the same. At least you have more of a chance now.

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Rimu piefed.social rimu@piefed.social
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Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.

"I told you Mexico would pay for it!"

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Zachariah lemmy.world Zachariah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#6 · (edited) Quote Reply

not free; tax funded

Which is great! Taxes should be invested in citizens’ needs.

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5inister reddthat.com 5inister@reddthat.com
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Healthcare in Mexico has been free and public for decades. There are still paid private practices and having social security limits the public providers you can use but Article 77 Bis-1 of the General Health Law states that anyone without social security can be treated for free. That article was first published in 2002 and last modified in 2023. This is just the administration claiming that they enacted (excellent) old laws.

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towerful programming.dev towerful@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-30
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not free; tax funded Which is great! Taxes should be invested in citizens’ needs.

Free as in "free at the point of service".
Of course it is paid for somehow.
But as far a a someone going into a hospital to get a cast, medicine, birth... It's free

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PunnyName lemmy.world PunnyName@lemmy.world
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Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.

How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering?

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FlexibleToast lemmy.world FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-03
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Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.

I was literally just thinking retiring to Mexico doesn't sound terrible in the future.

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Zachariah lemmy.world Zachariah@lemmy.world
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Free as in "free at the point of service". Of course it is paid for somehow. But as far a a someone going into a hospital to get a cast, medicine, birth... It's free

That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.

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kobra lemmy.zip kobra@lemmy.zip
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How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering?

Well their original comment alluded to people not being able to get care because there aren't enough medicines, doctors, or hospitals.

I hope they answer you, because I know nothing about what's going on there, but I'm fairly certain that was their point.

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gravitas_deficiency sh.itjust.works gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-20
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Must be fuckin’ nice 🫠

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krisevol lemmus.org krisevol@lemmus.org
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It's a step. Vs. medicines too expensive to buy, and doctors that you can't see for months who run you through the mill to get their numbers up. I can't say which is worse when the result is about the same. At least you have more of a chance now.

Kaiser was excellent when they only provided service to kiaser members. When the government stepped in, the whole system went to shit. They still have the same amount of doctors so the only thing that happened in now everyone gets shitty service and long wait times.

Sometimes the government getting involved isn't a good thing.

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harmbugler piefed.social harmbugler@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-08-25
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That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.

Hey, are you saying we get free police

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Phil_in_here lemmy.ca Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
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Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.

No country has enough medicine, doctors, or hospitals.

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Lovable Sidekick lemmy.world LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
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#17 · (edited) Quote Reply

That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.

Conservative America is driven so hard by the fear of somebody poorer than you getting something you're not.

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Lovable Sidekick lemmy.world LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
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Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.

Hopefully they'll just use steel slats!

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BedSharkPal lemmy.ca BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca
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Hopefully they'll just use steel slats!

Impenetrable!

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dustyData lemmy.world dustyData@lemmy.world
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How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering?

Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying "healthcare is free" is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you'll know if it was a shallow gesture or not.

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wpb lemmy.world wpb@lemmy.world
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#21 · (edited) Quote Reply

Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.

Paying for some supply through progressive taxes is better than everyone paying a flat rate, even if that supply is scarce.

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plantfanatic sh.itjust.works plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works
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That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.

Only in one place, don’t paint everyone like the USA.

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wpb lemmy.world wpb@lemmy.world
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#23 · (edited) Quote Reply

Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying "healthcare is free" is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you'll know if it was a shallow gesture or not.

But a cursory google search shows that it isn't currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike. This is not a hollow gesture.

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NocturnalMorning lemmy.world NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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But what if they abuse it by being like...sick?

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plantfanatic sh.itjust.works plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works
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Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying "healthcare is free" is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you'll know if it was a shallow gesture or not.

Was it free for everyone? Or just select people?

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wpb lemmy.world wpb@lemmy.world
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No country has enough medicine, doctors, or hospitals.

America does. They just suffer from capitalism.

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Taalnazi lemmy.world Taalnazi@lemmy.world
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That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.

As far as everyone except oligarchs are concerned, it means everyone can access it without getting financially fucked over into debt. And that's excellent news.

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Optional lemmy.world homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
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America does. They just suffer from capitalism.

No we just don’t get medical care if there’s any way to avoid it. If it was free we’d have a doctor shortage instantly.

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Optional lemmy.world homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
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blujan sopuli.xyz blujan@sopuli.xyz
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But a cursory google search shows that it isn't currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike...

It is linked to employment but equal and mandatory for all employees, so not quite a bargaining chip in the way it is in the usa

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thethrilloftime69 feddit.online thethrilloftime69@feddit.online
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Viva Mexico!

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wpb lemmy.world wpb@lemmy.world
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No we just don’t get medical care if there’s any way to avoid it. If it was free we’d have a doctor shortage instantly.

Why isn't it free?

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Vegafjord oakframer lemmy.ml libre_warrior@lemmy.ml
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better watch out for uncle sam

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wpb lemmy.world wpb@lemmy.world
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It is linked to employment but equal and mandatory for all employees, so not quite a bargaining chip in the way it is in the usa

If you lose your job, you lose your coverage. That makes it a bargaining chip. The employer has one up on you in negotiations. When I negotiate my salary (my health insurance is not tied to my employment), I know that if I can't work it out with my (potential) employer, and I get sick, I'll be fine. Not so if my coverage was tied to employment. The pressure to accept an offer that's worse for me would be much higher.

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arrow74 lemmy.zip arrow74@lemmy.zip
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I was literally just thinking retiring to Mexico doesn't sound terrible in the future.

Climate change is not boding well for Mexico unfortunately. You can expect severe water shortages in the coming decades.

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criticon lemmy.ca criticon@lemmy.ca
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Healthcare in Mexico has been free and public for decades. There are still paid private practices and having social security limits the public providers you can use but Article 77 Bis-1 of the General Health Law states that anyone without social security can be treated for free. That article was first published in 2002 and last modified in 2023. This is just the administration claiming that the...

It was free for workers and a few administrations ago they implemented a free for all program that was mostly cancelled. They system was also divided by private workers and government workers with different quality of services , this tries to implement all services into one, hopefully it works but this administration has not been very good at the implementation phase of any project

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criticon lemmy.ca criticon@lemmy.ca
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But a cursory google search shows that it isn't currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike...
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flandish lemmy.world flandish@lemmy.world
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As far as everyone except oligarchs are concerned, it means everyone can access it without getting financially fucked over into debt. And that's excellent news.

incorrect slightly- while most boomer and right wing assholes know it means free at point of service and tax funded they act like it means “free for welfare queens and illegals” because they think daddy capitalist is watching them lick boots.

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Dhs92 piefed.social Dhs92@piefed.social
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No we just don’t get medical care if there’s any way to avoid it. If it was free we’d have a doctor shortage instantly.

We already have a doctor shortage in a lot of places in the US, even without single payer healthcare :/

Part of it is due to private equity destroying private practice and buying up healthcare providers

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blujan sopuli.xyz blujan@sopuli.xyz
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If you lose your job, you lose your coverage. That makes it a bargaining chip. The employer has one up on you in negotiations. When I negotiate my salary (my health insurance is not tied to my employment), I know that if I can't work it out with my (potential) employer, and I get sick, I'll be fine. Not so if my coverage was tied to employment. The pressure to accept an offer that's worse for m...

Got it

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Mongostein lemmy.ca Mongostein@lemmy.ca
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Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.

They already are. They work remote jobs in the US and call themselves Digital Nomads 🙄

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PunnyName lemmy.world PunnyName@lemmy.world
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And if you're unemployed?

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robocall lemmy.world robocall@lemmy.world
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How will this impact the medical tourism industry that Americans depend on for affordable healthcare?

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JoeBigelow lemmy.ca JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca
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How will this impact the medical tourism industry that Americans depend on for affordable healthcare?

I'm sure you need to be a Mexican citizen to qualify for the program, I imagine foreigners get a bill. But I'm an American that expects a crippling bill from medical care so I have a bias.

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JoeBigelow lemmy.ca JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca
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Why isn't it free?

You're being deliberately obtuse. You smarmily answered your own question in your previous drivel comment.

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IMALlama lemmy.world IMALlama@lemmy.world
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How will this impact the medical tourism industry that Americans depend on for affordable healthcare?

You're not kidding. Some towns like Los Algodones built their entire economy around medical tourism.

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HexadecimalSky lemmy.world HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world
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Yay! Also Mexico got free healthcare before the U.S.A. and North Korea may get a female leader before the U.S.A. gets a female president. Truly 'murica

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naught101 lemmy.world naught101@lemmy.world
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#48 · Quote Reply

Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.

Free with crazy wait times is still surely better than expensive with crazy wait times?

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kreskin lemmy.world kreskin@lemmy.world
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#49 · Quote Reply

If you'd told any American 40 years ago that Mexico's democracy in 2026 would make Americas look pathetic, they'd have called you crazy and then beaten you up. Not so much anymore.

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kreskin lemmy.world kreskin@lemmy.world
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#50 · (edited) Quote Reply

Hey, are you saying we get free police

You get free police beatings. And if you're stopped they will empty the money out of your wallet as "civil asset forfeiture". So not exactly a cost but not exactly free.

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UnderpantsWeevil lemmy.world UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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You're not kidding. Some towns like Los Algodones built their entire economy around medical tourism.

I'm sure it will persist, as it primarily services Americans. And their money is still good.

If anything, we'll see the Mexican health care system expand in order to absorb all the domestic residents who can now afford the same care

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