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VetOfTheSeas
discuss.online
VetOfTheSeas@discuss.onlineJoined: 2025-04-27 |
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BedSharkPal
lemmy.ca
BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-30 |
Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in. |
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eltacopeludo
lemmy.dbzer0.com
eltacopeludo@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2026-04-27 |
Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture. |
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Rhaedas
fedia.io
Rhaedas@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-03 |
Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.
It's a step. Vs. medicines too expensive to buy, and doctors that you can't see for months who run you through the mill to get their numbers up. I can't say which is worse when the result is about the same. At least you have more of a chance now. |
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.
"I told you Mexico would pay for it!" |
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Zachariah
lemmy.world
Zachariah@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-13 |
not free; tax funded Which is great! Taxes should be invested in citizens’ needs. |
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5inister
reddthat.com
5inister@reddthat.com Joined: 2025-03-06 |
Healthcare in Mexico has been free and public for decades. There are still paid private practices and having social security limits the public providers you can use but Article 77 Bis-1 of the General Health Law states that anyone without social security can be treated for free. That article was first published in 2002 and last modified in 2023. This is just the administration claiming that they enacted (excellent) old laws. |
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towerful
programming.dev
towerful@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-30 |
not free; tax funded Which is great! Taxes should be invested in citizens’ needs.
Free as in "free at the point of service". |
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PunnyName
lemmy.world
PunnyName@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-27 |
Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.
How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering? |
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FlexibleToast
lemmy.world
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.
I was literally just thinking retiring to Mexico doesn't sound terrible in the future. |
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Zachariah
lemmy.world
Zachariah@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Free as in "free at the point of service". Of course it is paid for somehow. But as far a a someone going into a hospital to get a cast, medicine, birth... It's free
That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards. |
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kobra
lemmy.zip
kobra@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-08 |
How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering?
Well their original comment alluded to people not being able to get care because there aren't enough medicines, doctors, or hospitals. I hope they answer you, because I know nothing about what's going on there, but I'm fairly certain that was their point. |
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gravitas_deficiency
sh.itjust.works
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-20 |
Must be fuckin’ nice 🫠 |
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krisevol
lemmus.org
krisevol@lemmus.org Joined: 2026-03-16 |
It's a step. Vs. medicines too expensive to buy, and doctors that you can't see for months who run you through the mill to get their numbers up. I can't say which is worse when the result is about the same. At least you have more of a chance now.
Kaiser was excellent when they only provided service to kiaser members. When the government stepped in, the whole system went to shit. They still have the same amount of doctors so the only thing that happened in now everyone gets shitty service and long wait times. Sometimes the government getting involved isn't a good thing. |
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harmbugler
piefed.social
harmbugler@piefed.social Joined: 2025-08-25 |
That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.
Hey, are you saying we get free police |
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Phil_in_here
lemmy.ca
Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-07-01 |
Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.
No country has enough medicine, doctors, or hospitals. |
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Lovable Sidekick
lemmy.world
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-10-19 |
That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.
Conservative America is driven so hard by the fear of somebody poorer than you getting something you're not. |
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Lovable Sidekick
lemmy.world
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-10-19 |
Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.
Hopefully they'll just use steel slats! |
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BedSharkPal
lemmy.ca
BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-30 |
Hopefully they'll just use steel slats!
Impenetrable! |
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dustyData
lemmy.world
dustyData@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering?
Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying "healthcare is free" is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you'll know if it was a shallow gesture or not. |
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wpb
lemmy.world
wpb@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-08-17 |
Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.
Paying for some supply through progressive taxes is better than everyone paying a flat rate, even if that supply is scarce. |
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plantfanatic
sh.itjust.works
plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-05-25 |
That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.
Only in one place, don’t paint everyone like the USA. |
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wpb
lemmy.world
wpb@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-08-17 |
Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying "healthcare is free" is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you'll know if it was a shallow gesture or not.
But a cursory google search shows that it isn't currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike. This is not a hollow gesture. |
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NocturnalMorning
lemmy.world
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
But what if they abuse it by being like...sick? |
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plantfanatic
sh.itjust.works
plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-05-25 |
Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying "healthcare is free" is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you'll know if it was a shallow gesture or not.
Was it free for everyone? Or just select people? |
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wpb
lemmy.world
wpb@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-08-17 |
No country has enough medicine, doctors, or hospitals.
America does. They just suffer from capitalism. |
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Taalnazi
lemmy.world
Taalnazi@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.
As far as everyone except oligarchs are concerned, it means everyone can access it without getting financially fucked over into debt. And that's excellent news. |
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lemmy.world
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-09 |
America does. They just suffer from capitalism.
No we just don’t get medical care if there’s any way to avoid it. If it was free we’d have a doctor shortage instantly. |
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lemmy.world
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-09 |
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blujan
sopuli.xyz
blujan@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2023-06-01 |
But a cursory google search shows that it isn't currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike...
It is linked to employment but equal and mandatory for all employees, so not quite a bargaining chip in the way it is in the usa |
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thethrilloftime69
feddit.online
thethrilloftime69@feddit.online Joined: 2026-02-12 |
Viva Mexico! |
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wpb
lemmy.world
wpb@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-08-17 |
No we just don’t get medical care if there’s any way to avoid it. If it was free we’d have a doctor shortage instantly.
Why isn't it free? |
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Vegafjord oakframer
lemmy.ml
libre_warrior@lemmy.mlJoined: 2021-02-28 |
better watch out for uncle sam |
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wpb
lemmy.world
wpb@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-08-17 |
It is linked to employment but equal and mandatory for all employees, so not quite a bargaining chip in the way it is in the usa
If you lose your job, you lose your coverage. That makes it a bargaining chip. The employer has one up on you in negotiations. When I negotiate my salary (my health insurance is not tied to my employment), I know that if I can't work it out with my (potential) employer, and I get sick, I'll be fine. Not so if my coverage was tied to employment. The pressure to accept an offer that's worse for me would be much higher. |
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arrow74
lemmy.zip
arrow74@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 |
I was literally just thinking retiring to Mexico doesn't sound terrible in the future.
Climate change is not boding well for Mexico unfortunately. You can expect severe water shortages in the coming decades. |
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criticon
lemmy.ca
criticon@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-07-06 |
Healthcare in Mexico has been free and public for decades. There are still paid private practices and having social security limits the public providers you can use but Article 77 Bis-1 of the General Health Law states that anyone without social security can be treated for free. That article was first published in 2002 and last modified in 2023. This is just the administration claiming that the...
It was free for workers and a few administrations ago they implemented a free for all program that was mostly cancelled. They system was also divided by private workers and government workers with different quality of services , this tries to implement all services into one, hopefully it works but this administration has not been very good at the implementation phase of any project |
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criticon
lemmy.ca
criticon@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-07-06 |
But a cursory google search shows that it isn't currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike...
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flandish
lemmy.world
flandish@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-04-08 |
As far as everyone except oligarchs are concerned, it means everyone can access it without getting financially fucked over into debt. And that's excellent news.
incorrect slightly- while most boomer and right wing assholes know it means free at point of service and tax funded they act like it means “free for welfare queens and illegals” because they think daddy capitalist is watching them lick boots. |
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Dhs92
piefed.social
Dhs92@piefed.social Joined: 2025-07-11 |
No we just don’t get medical care if there’s any way to avoid it. If it was free we’d have a doctor shortage instantly.
We already have a doctor shortage in a lot of places in the US, even without single payer healthcare :/ Part of it is due to private equity destroying private practice and buying up healthcare providers |
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blujan
sopuli.xyz
blujan@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2023-06-01 |
If you lose your job, you lose your coverage. That makes it a bargaining chip. The employer has one up on you in negotiations. When I negotiate my salary (my health insurance is not tied to my employment), I know that if I can't work it out with my (potential) employer, and I get sick, I'll be fine. Not so if my coverage was tied to employment. The pressure to accept an offer that's worse for m...
Got it |
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Mongostein
lemmy.ca
Mongostein@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-14 |
Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.
They already are. They work remote jobs in the US and call themselves Digital Nomads 🙄 |
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PunnyName
lemmy.world
PunnyName@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-27 |
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And if you're unemployed? |
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robocall
lemmy.world
robocall@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-28 |
How will this impact the medical tourism industry that Americans depend on for affordable healthcare? |
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JoeBigelow
lemmy.ca
JoeBigelow@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-07-06 |
How will this impact the medical tourism industry that Americans depend on for affordable healthcare?
I'm sure you need to be a Mexican citizen to qualify for the program, I imagine foreigners get a bill. But I'm an American that expects a crippling bill from medical care so I have a bias. |
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JoeBigelow
lemmy.ca
JoeBigelow@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-07-06 |
Why isn't it free?
You're being deliberately obtuse. You smarmily answered your own question in your previous drivel comment. |
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IMALlama
lemmy.world
IMALlama@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-29 |
How will this impact the medical tourism industry that Americans depend on for affordable healthcare?
You're not kidding. Some towns like Los Algodones built their entire economy around medical tourism. |
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HexadecimalSky
lemmy.world
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-29 |
Yay! Also Mexico got free healthcare before the U.S.A. and North Korea may get a female leader before the U.S.A. gets a female president. Truly 'murica |
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naught101
lemmy.world
naught101@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-05-08 |
Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.
Free with crazy wait times is still surely better than expensive with crazy wait times? |
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kreskin
lemmy.world
kreskin@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-11-03 |
If you'd told any American 40 years ago that Mexico's democracy in 2026 would make Americas look pathetic, they'd have called you crazy and then beaten you up. Not so much anymore. |
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kreskin
lemmy.world
kreskin@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-11-03 |
Hey, are you saying we get free police
You get free police beatings. And if you're stopped they will empty the money out of your wallet as "civil asset forfeiture". So not exactly a cost but not exactly free. |
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UnderpantsWeevil
lemmy.world
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-14 |
You're not kidding. Some towns like Los Algodones built their entire economy around medical tourism.
I'm sure it will persist, as it primarily services Americans. And their money is still good. If anything, we'll see the Mexican health care system expand in order to absorb all the domestic residents who can now afford the same care |
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