That actually had me laugh.

Well these accounts are probably making first commit so it can also be easily found

After one year of using Linux, I'm starting to get the memes.

Alternatively, the first wave of malware stole the accounts of actual contributors. The same method was used in npm afaik.

Hacked accounts next

Could the same thing happen on Flathub? Considering the number of unverified packages on the platform

My understanding is that flatpaks run in a sandbox, so although there is a risk- especially for what you give permissions to- it's not exactly the same. The AUR is basically "curl | bash", it's a miracle this hasn't happened before. If you're worried about it I think flatseal can look at the permissions and such, but you're probably fine.

While they are sandboxed, there is still potential for them to cause harm. Its in theory a safer system, but nothing is full proof. I'd agree that its likely fine but best to be cautious

Nope, the security is basically a gate in the middle of a field.

Well shit.

Ha! That sucks. I appreciate that article but now I'm having a little bit of an existential crisis.

Yeah that post is 5 years old, I would think a lot of that has changed by now

Pretty much. Snap is the only one with a semblance of anything appearing to be security, and nearly every container requires you to turn it off to run.

now I’m having a little bit of an existential crisis.

"App with access to files can access files"

Just check the permissions of an app before installing. Bazaar has a gauge for how "safe" an app is based on permissions. If it doesn't request internet, filesystem access, and other powerful permissions, it'll be marked as the safest.

Really it's the same as docker. It's secure most of the time, but don't come crying about getting hacked if you give all your containers access to /dev, host networking, etc

And "we won't tell you which ones can"

Well, both the Flathub website and KDE Discover list this, so this seems like a GNOME issue and not a Flatpak issue.

Flathub:

KDE Discover:

FlatHub website

Where? I don't see it here. Can click on the "manifest" but nobody will be reading all of that. Tried Tor Browser to rule out extensions. Maybe it's actually communicating with the desktop client in some way which I don't have?

Also, a backdoor in this particular program can steal your PGP keys. Some clueless guy who added it to GitHub for a tutorial may have some issues if it's not password protected. It's in no way like Android where "OpenKeychain" were forced to define a protocol and now reading a key prompts the user.

Oh, and one of the few dozen local privilege escalations found by AI in the mountains of trash of our great kernel completely negate all of this. It has to be AI because no human nowadays is doing all of that anymore. And enslaving humans to pick out code 24/7 isn't legal anymore anywhere, ya know.

The problem is trust. Sandboxing is all well and good, but what of the data I give the app directly and the resources it has access to?
If a person installs the Steam client from FlatHub and logs in to it with their account credentials, how will they know the app wasn't actually published by a third party who modified it to act as a man in the middle to steal account credentials. They'd need to be vigilant and follow a flathub link provided by Valve themselves. The app could also be a crypto miner, capped to use 10% CPU to avoid suspicion.. now I'm searching the internet why steam is constantly using 10% of my CPU..

I don't actually know if flathub does checks or anything so this isn't a jab at them specifically. I personally distrust all package distribution platforms by default and don't use sandboxed packages on any of my installs.

I guess we all have to define where the lines are and how far we're prepared to go. Technically, you should read the actual source code fetched from AUR and only build once you've confirmed it does what you expect it to... for every thing you install and for every update. Maybe thats good for Richard Stallman, but the general populace will look for trust outside of only trusting themselves.

FlatHub website

Where? I don't see it here.

click the red "medium risk" thing near the install button

Oh, and one of the few dozen local privilege escalations found by AI in the mountains of trash of our great kernel completely negate all of this. It has to be AI because no human nowadays is doing all of that anymore. And enslaving humans to pick out code 24/7 isn't legal anymore anywhere, ya know.

that's not a problem of flathub, but literally all computers. windows, macos, android is also susceptible to it.

how will they know the app wasn't actually published by a third party

by the yellow unverified box on the flathub page: https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.valvesoftware.Steam

but, it does not show that at all in KDE discover.

click the red "medium risk"

Literally how the fuck was I, or let alone "a simple user", is supposed to know that? "Intuitive, uncluttered UI" my ass.
Also "The software developer has verified their identity, which makes the app more likely to be safe" ????? How Android wannabe (without actually being anything like Android) do they want to be???

not a problem of flathub

The problem of flathub is the illusion of safety.

click the red "medium risk"

Literally how the fuck was I, or let alone "a simple user", is supposed to know that?

idk, this is the first time I saw that menu. it's a pretty visible red at a prominent place on the webpage, so I wouldn't say it's hidden

The problem of flathub is the illusion of safety.

where is the illusion of the safety? where does it say it's the safest thing ever made?

I think the way the AUR works has outlived its usefulness. It was fun while it lasted folks.

Also, a backdoor in this particular program can steal your PGP keys.

Now you can make that decision. Evolution is also available from the Debian and Arch (and others) repos without sandboxing, if you'd prefer it to have access your whole system.

You can also remove those permissions with the Flatpak cli, or Flatseal.

It's in no way like Android where "OpenKeychain" were forced to define a protocol and now reading a key prompts the user.

I don't see why this couldn't be done with Secret Service, just no one does so no one expects it. You should email one of the mailing lists for GnuPG if this bothers you though.

Oh, and one of the few dozen local privilege escalations found by AI in the mountains of trash of our great kernel completely negate all of this.

Well yeah, sandboxing/containers/namespaces were never guaranteed to be fully isolated, there's a reason all the cloud companies settled on VMs over containers. It's just one line of defence that you otherwise wouldn't have.

Again, you seem to be missing the point. Nobody would be "removing permissions with xyz tool". People are told something is safe, therefore it must be safe. If it's not then it's not. And again with PGP, one example how a "simple user" could have PGP keys is if they use PGP email at work. Management != tech people, so container must equal safe in ooga booga brains. Keys get stolen because of supply chain (remember that library updates are separate and slower for flatpak). Container must equal safe, so everyone disregards what was written about XYZ program and the one to blame becomes the simple office worker*, another victim of capitalism*. Or the IT guy. My point is, marketing wrong.

The screenshot earlier in the thread clearly said "Evolution is potentially unsafe", so if the user continues to install it then that's a risk they took on themselves

It comes from The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, though I found it by searching "first time meme". It's a silly fun time of a movie, I'd recommend watching with friends.

If you wanna know more about the meme, it's uses, and it's history though here's the Know Your Meme page about it.