DS9 was amazing. Certainly better than Enterprise (which is disappointing because the latter had such a good premise)

I mean, the borg kind of started the whole series when they killed Sisko's wife.

Which episode did Archer and crew encounter the Borg?

S2 E23

s2e23 "Regeneration"

They encounter a few drones left in a crash site from First Contact.

I remember seeing that air. What a opening. Seeing how bad Wolf 359 really was from the inside. Also, I think first time we see starships turn on a dime.

gosh ok i guess the meme doesnt count then

It's okay, you'll get it next time champ!

I would argue that no meme counts. That's what makes them memes.

They were also a little busy dealing with a time-traveling, genocidal coffee addict.

"Let's assimilate some Ferengi ourselves instead"

One of these things is not like the others.

Wait… really? How have I totally forgotten about this???

It's not bad actually. Puts some of the fear back into the Borg as boogeymen.

Yeah that was neat, the Miranda definitely got some upgrades in the 24th century over the maneuvers they it pulled in WoK.

Insidious...

How do you think Sisko learned to not mess with the Borg?

To be fair, in WoK they mainly just bumbled around blind in a nebula. It wasn't exactly a dogfight!

To be fair the writers of WoK intended it to feel like Das Boot than a dog fight.

He wanted to mess with the Borg. He designed a ship to mess with the Borg. They didn't show up in his part of the woods so he demonstrated what happens when someone has a ship designed to mess with the Borg.

That is because the borg were afraid of Sisko's baseball.

I'd like to see a Borg vs Dominion war.

DS9 was too far away from where borg would attack, and first contact was happening around the same time of ds9, when they had to move defiant off-screen to fight the borg.

it shouldve went with romulan war buildup, instead of the xindi arc. they are always teasing ROMULAN in the series. s5-7 were suppose to have shran join the crew, but the NETWORK CANCELLED THE SHOW.

i wonder when the borg discovered the transwarp hub, they wouldve likely used to invade the gamma quadrant at some point. 8472 likely weakened thier influenced throughout the galaxy, hence they never encountered the borg in the series.

ds9 like other trek series needed thier "own ship of the series" im guessing thats why they had defiant instead of the station. also they stopped exploring when the dominion invaded, never went back to exploring space after that.

when the artic expidition found the wreckage from first contact sphere.

it also sorta"retcons" ties into how the borg found earth in the first place in the future(explained at the end of the episode.
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___the borg sent a signal in 2256 towards delta quadrant after PHLOX was partially assimilated he heard the signal in his mind, and the computer analyzed the coordinates deep in the delta quadrant. T'pol said it would take 200 years to reach borg space if at all, and archer said they only delayed the war until 24th century(right around the time tng discovered attacks on the neutral zone in the first season , since the borg came to investigate around that time )
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I was done with the Borg when they introduced a Queen.

Just like Zerg and Tyranids. I understand that narratively you need characters for stories, but coupling those completely alien swarm intelligences to discreet "Queens" commanding the swarm takes away this very alienness and transforms them from a terrifying force of nature you can never truly understand into yet another rulers personal army.

Still not as heartbreaking as the Firefly cancellation. I don't know if I'll ever get over that one.

I try to take those characters as manifestations of the collective rather than a true individual.

I was sure that's the way they were going to go with it. They should never had species 8472 (their introduction simply increased the problem of Star Trek establishing whole other realities existing, and then forgetting about it for subsequent stories) and have the Borg encounter The Founders and not be able to assimilate them because their shapeshifters, after that point essentially have the stories be the same.

Honestly they could just bring Enterprise back it would be an improvement over constantly producing subpar Star Trek shows that no one really wants.

im going to buy you a "done with the borg since '96" tshirt

Unless there is some caveat like the nanites don't work on the founders or Jem Hadar I don't think it would be much of a contest

Then again the talking apes from earth seem to keep them at bay pretty well

It wasn't so much the baseball itself but what it represents (a bazooka that shoots baseballs)

Nah, Baseball is the true sport of the prophets that Sisko brought to Earth by timetravelling in order to save humanity from a rogue Klingon faction that encountered earth before the Vulcans made contact. Inside the baseballs were genetic modifiers that would turn the Klingons into looking like humans and it embarassed them so bad they fled.

A timeloop is formed, which is why Sisko keeps the baseball in his office to remind him of it.

The Borg fear Baseball because they recognize it represents power over reality itself.

The Founders strengths are genetic engineering and the ability to maintain individuality inside of a collective. I think both of these have been shown to absolutely crush the Borg and the Founders would see the Borg as a fitting solution to the solids.

The issue is then you have poked God Emperor Sisko of the sacred temple. A being with unending rage against the borg, a willingness to commit war crimes, and the ability to exist outside of time. Sisko is the only captain who faced a power scaling issue of his own power being too high as he was literally born with plot armor.

Didn't we see Sisko's encounter with the Borg in the very first episode? Sure, they never visited the station, but lots of other aliens never visited the station that we still consider to have been part of DS9, like The Founders

Also Season 8 of DS9 would have revealed that Sisko had laser eyes this whole time and just chose not to employ them

Dark gods!... 96... 96... I've seen first contact on the big screen when it came out... I'm old as fuck.

I know I actually had to look it up twice to make sure I was correct and also not having another dimentia episode

I think Enterprise immediately being like "TIME TRAVEL COLD WAR" was one of the biggest narrative problems with Enterprise. It didn't let Enterprise stand on it's own, but was constantly shadowed by future events. IMO they should have spent more time writing ahead of the show to figure out what the overarching storylines should be rather than just figuring it out as they went.

Well, that’s cool!

I guess my memories of ENT are fuzzy because I only watched it once.

Correction the network didnt cancel the show: the network itself was canceled and enterprise did well ratings wise but it was expensive to produce and didnt do well enough for anothe network to pick up

oh yea at the time the 1st 2 episodes were 2million each, so the episodes got more expensive since, no doubt.

the XINDI /temperolacold war was too strange, shouldve been the later seasons, and not dragged on the whole series.