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spaghettiwestern
sh.itjust.works
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-15 |
"This is the first study to show that [the compound] Cu(ATSM) can increase the abundance of P-gp clearance pumps in an Alzheimer's model, by 24.1 percent, effectively linking the repair of the blood-brain barrier to a reduction in toxic proteins and improved cognitive function," Dr. Pyun said. "By improving the pumps, the brain can finally clear out the trapped waste. Over 56 days, the treatment reduced toxic amyloid-beta by 42 percent and improved spatial learning by nearly 44 percent." "Cu(ATSM) is a copper compound with anti-inflammatory and neuroprotective properties that has already progressed to clinical testing for conditions like Parkinson's and ALS," Professor Nicolazzo said. |
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WhyIHateTheInternet
lemmy.world
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-17 |
Sounds like those hookey copper bands and junk they used to sell weren't hokum after all lol Edit - /s |
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pelespirit
sh.itjust.works
pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Sounds like those hookey copper bands and junk they used to sell weren't hokum after all lol Edit - /s
I wonder how they feel about magnets, lol. |
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bluGill
fedia.io
bluGill@fedia.io Joined: 2024-08-15 |
In mice.. Time will tell, but Alzheimer dugs have a poor history in human trials. Some of even suggested that the model this is working on is wrong and thus it cannot work. |
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DarkCloud
lemmy.world
DarkCloud@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-05-19 |
Cool, so they'll get bought up by an Alzheimer's medicine company that produces a medicine that doesn't work, and we'll never hear of this breakthrough again. Capitalism is great at killing off medicines that work, there's less profit in medicines that work. |
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hot_mocha_decaf
lemmy.cafe
hot_mocha_decaf@lemmy.cafeJoined: 2026-04-26 |
I have this habit of sucking on pennies, helps clear my head. Maybe there's something to this. |
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Optional
lemmy.world
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-09 |
In mice.. Time will tell, but Alzheimer dugs have a poor history in human trials. Some of even suggested that the model this is working on is wrong and thus it cannot work.
Yeah but they finally discovered and recalled the fake study that drove them in entirely the wrong direction for decades. |
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Optional
lemmy.world
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-09 |
I wonder how they feel about magnets, lol.
Put the magnets in the water - no more magnets. Bigly. |
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qualia
lemmy.world
qualia@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-11-05 |
CNS disease drugs (Alzheimer's, stroke, ALS) translate from mice to humans under 10% of the time. Mouse models like the referenced primary source are poor proxies as they're engineered for single, clean pathologies (e.g. one mutation), while human neurodegeneration is messier, multifactorial, and not fully replicated even when surface features like amyloid plaques appear. |
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Jessicat
lemmy.world
Jessicat@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-08-03 |
Sounds like those hookey copper bands and junk they used to sell weren't hokum after all lol Edit - /s
That’s not how drugs work. Even if it worked in humans, they were not treating the mice through skin contact. |
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JoeBigelow
lemmy.ca
JoeBigelow@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-07-06 |
That’s not how drugs work. Even if it worked in humans, they were not treating the mice through skin contact.
I think he was making a joke... |
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Jessicat
lemmy.world
Jessicat@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-08-03 |
That’s not how drugs work. Even if it worked in humans, they were not treating the mice through skin contact.
Probable but I was reading an article about it last week where people actually believe that now and copper trinkets are being peddled online. |
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WhyIHateTheInternet
lemmy.world
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-17 |
I think he was making a joke...
Lol I thought it was pretty obvious that was the case but based on the downvotes I should've clarified |
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WhyIHateTheInternet
lemmy.world
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-17 |
Probable but I was reading an article about it last week where people actually believe that now and copper trinkets are being peddled online.
No, it was a joke lol |
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WhyIHateTheInternet
lemmy.world
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-17 |
I wonder how they feel about magnets, lol.
You can't explain that |
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Jessicat
lemmy.world
Jessicat@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-08-03 |
Lol I thought it was pretty obvious that was the case but based on the downvotes I should've clarified
I was hoping it was a joke. Downvotes were not me. |
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WhyIHateTheInternet
lemmy.world
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-17 |
I was hoping it was a joke. Downvotes were not me.
I'm not worried about it. Def a joke. Anyone buying those is the real joke. This drug did sound promising though. I hope it works, that stuff runs in my family and that's scary. |
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surewhynotlem
lemmy.world
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Cool, so they'll get bought up by an Alzheimer's medicine company that produces a medicine that doesn't work, and we'll never hear of this breakthrough again. Capitalism is great at killing off medicines that work, there's less profit in medicines that work.
There's no reason to be needlessly jaded. Those companies would absolutely produce this if it worked, because you'd have to take it forever. |
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spaghettiwestern
sh.itjust.works
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-15 |
CNS disease drugs (Alzheimer's, stroke, ALS) translate from mice to humans under 10% of the time. Mouse models like the referenced primary source are poor proxies as they're engineered for single, clean pathologies (e.g. one mutation), while human neurodegeneration is messier, multifactorial, and not fully replicated even when surface features like amyloid plaques appear.
Since it's already in clinical trials for ALS and Parkinson's, hopefully testing for Alzheimer's can be done much more quickly than otherwise would be possible. |
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Jessicat
lemmy.world
Jessicat@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-08-03 |
I'm not worried about it. Def a joke. Anyone buying those is the real joke. This drug did sound promising though. I hope it works, that stuff runs in my family and that's scary.
Here’s to hoping for a treatment. Have a good one! |
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WhyIHateTheInternet
lemmy.world
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-17 |
Here’s to hoping for a treatment. Have a good one!
You too! |
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lightsblinken
lemmy.world
lightsblinken@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-07-07 |
Put the magnets in the water - no more magnets. Bigly.
huh? |
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tempest
lemmy.ca
tempest@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-30 |
I have this habit of sucking on pennies, helps clear my head. Maybe there's something to this.
Very little copper in modern pennies, you should probably just supplement zinc. Helps with colds as well. |
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Optional
lemmy.world
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-09 |
huh?
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becausechemistry
piefed.social
becausechemistry@piefed.social Joined: 2025-12-24 |
In mice.. Time will tell, but Alzheimer dugs have a poor history in human trials. Some of even suggested that the model this is working on is wrong and thus it cannot work.
Yeah. The trouble is that pretty much only humans get Alzheimer’s. In order to make a mouse model, we have to induce a disease state that looks like Alzheimer’s, at least to our best understanding. It’s not unreasonable that our mouse model is just not really representative of the actual disease in humans. |
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Greyghoster
aussie.zone
Greyghoster@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-25 |
Cool, so they'll get bought up by an Alzheimer's medicine company that produces a medicine that doesn't work, and we'll never hear of this breakthrough again. Capitalism is great at killing off medicines that work, there's less profit in medicines that work.
Capitalism is great for burying all sorts of innovative ideas and holding back progress so profits can be made using sunk investments. |
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AwesomeLowlander
sh.itjust.works
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-07-12 |
produces a medicine that doesn't work There's no reason to be needlessly jaded. Those companies would absolutely produce this if it worked, because you'd have to take it forever.
The Internet is full of Dunning Kruger idiots who don't understand profit maximisation but believe they do. |
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| protist Member Joined: 2026-03-10 |
Cool, so they'll get bought up by an Alzheimer's medicine company that produces a medicine that doesn't work, and we'll never hear of this breakthrough again. Capitalism is great at killing off medicines that work, there's less profit in medicines that work.
This doesn't make sense though, if they have a drug that works, they'll make fucking bank. Pharmaceutical companies would kill for a blockbuster drug like that |
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I wonder how they feel about magnets, lol.
Well, TMS is a real thing, and increasingly evidence-based |
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Jake Farm
sopuli.xyz
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2023-04-20 |
Cool, so they'll get bought up by an Alzheimer's medicine company that produces a medicine that doesn't work, and we'll never hear of this breakthrough again. Capitalism is great at killing off medicines that work, there's less profit in medicines that work.
Conspiracy theorists alert! Bet you are antivax too. |
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Jake Farm
sopuli.xyz
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2023-04-20 |
The Internet is full of Dunning Kruger idiots who don't understand profit maximisation but believe they do.
Given the number of bubbles that collapse the economy, neither does Wallstreet |
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MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown
fedia.io
MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-07 |
Very little copper in modern pennies, you should probably just supplement zinc. Helps with colds as well.
Proportionally little copper in modern pennies. But the outside is a thin veneer of copper plating. Unless they are nomming on an individual coin long enough the for their saliva to eat through the copper layer like the chocolate on a peanut m&m, then their exposure is no different than a wholey copper coin. |
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Melobol
lemmy.ml
Melobol@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-24 |
Given the number of bubbles that collapse the economy, neither does Wallstreet
They make the most money when bubbles burst. Have you seen the picture of them drinking champagne and cheering last time it happened? |
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somethingsnappy
lemmy.world
somethingsnappy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-07 |
CNS disease drugs (Alzheimer's, stroke, ALS) translate from mice to humans under 10% of the time. Mouse models like the referenced primary source are poor proxies as they're engineered for single, clean pathologies (e.g. one mutation), while human neurodegeneration is messier, multifactorial, and not fully replicated even when surface features like amyloid plaques appear.
So, the same failure rate as basically any drug, and many biologics, vaccines. |
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smeenz
lemmy.nz
smeenz@lemmy.nz Joined: 2023-07-11 |
huh?
Oh you sweet summer child. I'm jealous. I wish I didn't know as much about donny's ramblings as I sadly do. |
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JasonDJ
lemmy.zip
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-01-16 |
Cool, so they'll get bought up by an Alzheimer's medicine company that produces a medicine that doesn't work, and we'll never hear of this breakthrough again. Capitalism is great at killing off medicines that work, there's less profit in medicines that work.
Wdym? If a drug like this were successful, everybody with any markers for Alzheimer's would want to be in on it. They'd make bank for several years, until the patent expires, and then they'd have other methods of extending the patent and prolonging market exclusivity. Sorry but this is a shit talking point. What drug companies fear is the eradication of an ailment, and particularly by non-pharmaceutical means (i.e. gene therapy). Even something that's 100% effective in preventing Alzheimer's, would still see a hell of a market. And if such a drug is possible, then there's the game theory question. Any pharma exec knows that if their company can make a breakthrough medicine...so too could another company. Is it worth it for them to sit on it, only for another company to make the same discovery a year or two later and bring it to market? |
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AwesomeLowlander
sh.itjust.works
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-07-12 |
Given the number of bubbles that collapse the economy, neither does Wallstreet
Too big to fail. They're still maximising their profits, just not yours. |
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corsicanguppy
lemmy.ca
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-12 |
So, the same failure rate as basically any drug, and many biologics, vaccines.
Oh, I'm pretty sure vaccines carry a lot more efficacy than 10%. |
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sudoshakes
reddthat.com
sudoshakes@reddthat.com Joined: 2023-07-01 |
Since it's already in clinical trials for ALS and Parkinson's, hopefully testing for Alzheimer's can be done much more quickly than otherwise would be possible.
It can pass phase 2 easier but not phase 3 trails. |
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Logi
lemmy.world
logi@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-08 |
10% [success] So, the same failure rate as [...] many [...] vaccines. Oh, I'm pretty sure vaccines carry a lot more efficacy than 10%.
A vaccine's efficacy is not the same thing as the success rate of a drug going through trials. |
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MinnesotaGoddam
lemmy.world
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
Didn't the amyloid-beta model get disproven? I am not following AD research that closely (I follow DBS research in neuro) but I remember reading a specific model (one that most of the research was tied up in) was disproven and it's why none of the mouse models were working on humans. edit: what timing. I just popped back on here and saw @ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world posted this article. I can't vouch for its contents as i'm not an AD researcher, but i think it's what i'm remembering |
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MinnesotaGoddam
lemmy.world
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
Since it's already in clinical trials for ALS and Parkinson's, hopefully testing for Alzheimer's can be done much more quickly than otherwise would be possible.
Clinical trials for als are a crapshoot. They'll approve anything for a trial because what can it hurt Source: dad was in the radicava trial. Can't prove it, but he went fast. Probably faster than he would have without. They excluded him from the dataset because he was inconvenient. |
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MinnesotaGoddam
lemmy.world
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
Well, TMS is a real thing, and increasingly evidence-based
The Magnet Syndrome? |
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lightsblinken
lemmy.world
lightsblinken@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-07-07 |
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420
sigh |
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Why is Lemmy so Racist?
lemmy.world
Abyssian@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-13 |
Wait till they find out about the copper magnet bracelets that cure everything. |
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qualia
lemmy.world
qualia@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-11-05 |
Very little copper in modern pennies, you should probably just supplement zinc. Helps with colds as well.
A 2024 massive Cochrane review didn't find enough evidence to recommend zinc for colds. |
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Gonzako
lemmy.world
Gonzako@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-17 |
Hope theyll be able to make review on wether it's good or bad quality copper |
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Feathercrown
lemmy.world
Feathercrown@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-06 |
Didn't the amyloid-beta model get disproven? I am not following AD research that closely (I follow DBS research in neuro) but I remember reading a specific model (one that most of the research was tied up in) was disproven and it's why none of the mouse models were working on humans. edit: what timing. I just popped back on here and saw @ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world posted this article. I can't ...
I heard this as well |
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Lumisal
lemmy.world
Lumisal@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-03-16 |
They've tried it with Gold too (Au{TISM}) but it had some interesting side effects, so wonder what side effects Cu(ATSM) will have. |
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ParadoxSeahorse
lemmy.world
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-29 |
Yeah but they finally discovered and recalled the fake study that drove them in entirely the wrong direction for decades.
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elucubra
sopuli.xyz
elucubra@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-03 |
Didn't the amyloid-beta model get disproven? I am not following AD research that closely (I follow DBS research in neuro) but I remember reading a specific model (one that most of the research was tied up in) was disproven and it's why none of the mouse models were working on humans. edit: what timing. I just popped back on here and saw @ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world posted this article. I can't ...
I seem to remeber that the Amyloid plaques are now considered caused by whatever causes Alzheimers, but are not the cause. |
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