Tankies always talk about nukes on Russia’s doorstep on the topic of NATO in general, and NATO enlargement in particular.

To which I respond — “aren’t there nuclear submarines absolutely everywhere, especially on Russia’s doorstep?”

To which they melt down and talk out of both sides of their mouth.

I love America and its vassals. It was based when they ruined Libya and turned it into a slave state. Imperialism ftw

Imagine bootlicking for Gadaffi against an uprising of the oppressed proletariat.

Fascists are so uncreative.

Only suicidal fools will want the US and its allies on their soil.

I'm sure Ukraine would agree with that. /s

I will say that helping to oust Gaddafi and then doing exactly nothing to help stabilize the area after was kind of a dick move.

If we had tried nation-building, we would have been blamed for imposing our institutions on the Libyan people. See: previous attempts in Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Mali, the CAR, Chad, Cote D'Ivore. Or see the constant criticism of foreign aid to any number of developing countries.

In the end, while we probably could have done some more to help stabilize Libya, the fundamental fault was that Gadaffi had intentionally made himself the lynchpin of all Libyan national institutions, and without him, the process of negotiating a national settlement was reduced to... force.

Yet a nation can not (and should not, for that matter) remain under a dictator forever; and the longer the dictator remains, the more rotted even non-government institutions become, making the transition ever-harder.

Pug,
When you say "we" do you mean the US government.
Do you kind of identify with that institution a little?

P.S. I hope you don't mind me calling you Pug

Yeah. Not necessarily proudly. But being an American is part of my identity.

Its sins are my sins, to some small degree. That's the nature of citizenship in a somewhat-democratic polity. We all bear a part of the blame, and a part of the responsibility going forward.

Does that mean we should roll over and let Putin have his way?

also part of its geopolitics and propaganda machine, always use the "eternal victimhood, gaslighting" to advance your agenda. thats why it work so well with conservative goverments

@PugJesus Both NATO and Russia are capitalists imperialists (altho NATO is way way worse), fuck em