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Cursed_Fig
lemmy.world
Cursed_Fig@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-04-11 |
For how long must light be emitted for a human eye to perceive it?
1am where I live and I'm wondering |
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sin_free_for_00_days
sopuli.xyz
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-07-28 |
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NoSpotOfGround
lemmy.world
NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
My understanding of the physics is that there's no lower limit. People can detect even individual photons. As long as the pulse has enough energy to change the state of the material in your retina, you will sense it. Intuitively, if an attosecond pulse can melt steel, you can bet you'll see "something" if you fire it at your eyes, even if it's the last thing you see. |
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threelonmusketeers
sh.itjust.works
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-10 |
A 2016 Nature study found the human eye can detect a single photon just above chance, while conscious sight needs about 5 to 9 photons.
To be more specific, this study in Nature Communications: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12172 Edit: Ha! NoSpotOfGround beat me by 2 minutes. |
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pawb.social
Kolanaki@pawb.socialJoined: 2024-10-06 |
Depends on how far away it is. š |
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Zephyr
sh.itjust.works
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-06-11 |
Depends on how far away it is. š
Lol yeah it's like ten light-years away. |
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Zephyr
sh.itjust.works
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-06-11 |
Whether a flash of light is visible comes down to a fundamental concept in visual neuroscience known as temporal summation or generally Bloch's Law. Our eyes don't process light instantaneously, they integrate light over a short window of time (around 10 to 100 milliseconds, depending on whether you are looking through your central or peripheral vision). Bloch's Law states that for very short durations, the perceived brightness of a flash depends on the total number of photons hitting the retina during that time window, not the duration itself. So you can flash a standard light source like a normal LED very quickly, like at 1 microsecond or faster, it will be completely invisible. The flash was so short that the total number of photons entering your eye fell way below the minimum threshold required to trigger your photoreceptors and send a signal to your brain. inversely you can increase the intensity of the light enough that it will always be seen regardless of the duration of the pulse, a high-powered laser pulsed for a femtosecond will remain visible. |
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thisfro
slrpnk.net
thisfro@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-06-05 |
You can think of lightning: It is only visible for some 100s of microseconds (<0.5ms) but it is very well visible. Granted, a lot of photons are emitted in this very short though. |
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redjard
reddthat.com
Redjard@reddthat.comJoined: 2023-08-06 |
Others mentioned there is a atudy showing it could be a single photon in an extreme controlled environment. But in normal conditions, eyes chemically adjust to a reasonable sensitivity, our dynamic range is not limitless. So taking something more realistic you would see in different cases: In a darkened hall you can make out a faint led at 40m distance, faint being about a μW, which is unusually dim for most leds you encounter. A μW might yield you 100μl (micro lumens). xkcd puts a firefly as 600μl lumen, which is about a millionth of a dim light-bulb. That comes to the same brightness at 100m distance, which is reasonable for seeing fireflys well. Both of these shine that light output on a sphere, which your eyes capture a small circle of, whose size is your maximally expanded pupil. Looking at wikipedia "the size of the pupil [varies] between 1.5 mm and 8 mm", which having to look at wikipedias source (thanks for nothing) tells me it is the diameter, so radius 4mm. Assuming the color averages to green, specifically 555nm green, that has 1/683 W/l. A photon has energy in Ws of cā¢h/555nm, which works out to 2.8 quintillion (555nm) photons per second per lumen. 250fl is 250000 quintillionths of a lumen, so we are talking 7000 photons a second. |
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