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Valve Says The Companies Making RAM Give Them A Price And If They Say No, They ‘Never Talk To Us Again’
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squirrel lemmy.blahaj.zone squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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If that sounds a lot like a cartel, well, you wouldn't be the first person to point that out

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FatVegan leminal.space FatVegan@leminal.space
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#2 · Quote Reply

How long until valve makes their own ram?

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squirrel Moderator squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-06-16
#3 · Quote Reply

How long until valve makes their own ram?

It would be great if they did, but getting the necessary tech up and running takes time.

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Creat discuss.tchncs.de Creat@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-16
#4 · (edited) Quote Reply

How long until valve makes their own ram?

It may sound unlikely, but valve is nowhere near the size of would need to be for that. Also the fabs that actually make the ram are owned by like 2-3 companies world wide. Everyone just rents time slots in those, booked many years in advance. It costs billions and takes many years to build more of those. The machines used in them are made by exactly one company world wide.

Tldr: never

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GeneralEmergency lemmy.world GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-07
#5 · Quote Reply

Cartel when my favourite monopoly doesn't get preferential treatment.

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CerebralHawks lemmy.dbzer0.com cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-08-18
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Bullshit. Whales are lining up to buy Gaben his ninth yacht.

I don't even think the Steam Machine is a bad deal, especially if you have a decently sized Steam library. That's the draw. Yeah it's a few hundred more than a PS5, but with the PS5, you gotta buy games. If you already have a Steam library, the Steam Machine has an advantage the consoles can't really touch, given all the deep discounts, giveaways, Humble Bundles that gave Steam keys over the years, and so on and so forth. Also, I do believe Steam Machines can play GOG and Epic sold games as well. Probably emulators, too.

So what would a PlayStation/Xbox be worth if it included as many games as you have on Steam? If you have zero games on Steam it's a moot point. I myself have 268 games in my Steam library. 64 of which can be played on my current computer (Mac), though most of those probably still use Intel code, which means I won't be able to play them next year when macOS 28 drops its Intel compatibility layer.

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vzqq lemmy.blahaj.zone vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-04-27
#7 · Quote Reply

How long until valve makes their own ram?

They have nowhere near the scale for that. Also notice that companies that do make their own ram (Samsung) are looking at the same price pressures as everyone else because of the whole “market” thing.

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chloroken lemmy.ml chloroken@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-11-15
#8 · Quote Reply

Bullshit. Whales are lining up to buy Gaben his ninth yacht. I don't even think the Steam Machine is a bad deal, especially if you have a decently sized Steam library. That's the draw. Yeah it's a few hundred more than a PS5, but with the PS5, you gotta buy games. If you already have a Steam library, the Steam Machine has an advantage the consoles can't really touch, given all the deep discount...

"Bullshit!" the commenter exclaimed, before seguing into a bunch of unrelated nonsense.

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ParlimentOfDoom piefed.zip ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-09-26
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How long until valve makes their own ram?

Never.

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ParlimentOfDoom piefed.zip ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-09-26
#10 · Quote Reply

Cartel when my favourite monopoly doesn't get preferential treatment.

There can be two bad things at once. Nuance exists.

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BlackVenom lemmy.world BlackVenom@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-23
#11 · Quote Reply

"Bullshit!" the commenter exclaimed, before seguing into a bunch of unrelated nonsense.

As is the style of the times.

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itrealgood mander.xyz itrealgood@mander.xyz
Joined: 2026-04-05
#12 · Quote Reply

They have nowhere near the scale for that. Also notice that companies that do make their own ram (Samsung) are looking at the same price pressures as everyone else because of the whole “market” thing.
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whats_a_lemmy midwest.social whats_a_lemmy@midwest.social
Joined: 2025-02-10
#13 · Quote Reply

Cartel when my favourite monopoly doesn't get preferential treatment.

Uhhh the RAM industry has a long history of price fixing. You know, cartel stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing_scandal

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Chloé 🥕 lemmy.blahaj.zone carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-06-13
#14 · Quote Reply

Screenshot of a toot by Eniko Fox, AKA eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place: damn. valve is at the mercy of industry players that dwarf them to such an extent they just have to deal with whatever they're being charged for access to the market? that sounds rough. can't imagine what that's like

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Chloé 🥕 lemmy.blahaj.zone carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-06-13
#15 · Quote Reply

for context: she’s a gamedev who has released games on steam (and itch). games that you should check out, they’re good!

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sexhaver87 sh.itjust.works sexhaver87@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-09-20
#16 · Quote Reply

As is the style of the times.

Tied an onion to my belt, and other such quips

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vzqq lemmy.blahaj.zone vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-04-27
#17 · Quote Reply

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You can get older process/slower clocked memory right now. But that’s not what you want in a gaming pc.

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GeneralEmergency lemmy.world GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-07
#18 · Quote Reply

Uhhh the RAM industry has a long history of price fixing. You know, cartel stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing_scandal

long history

Two examples.

One of which was thrown out.

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gandalf_die_12te lemmy.blahaj.zone gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-06-10
#19 · Quote Reply

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yeah, you're right, it could be done, but with chip manufacturing it always takes 10 years to get the factories into production mode, and basically many chip manufacturers aren't confident enough yet that the memory shortage will still be a thing by then.

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gandalf_die_12te lemmy.blahaj.zone gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-06-10
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It may sound unlikely, but valve is nowhere near the size of would need to be for that. Also the fabs that actually make the ram are owned by like 2-3 companies world wide. Everyone just rents time slots in those, booked many years in advance. It costs billions and takes many years to build more of those. The machines used in them are made by exactly one company world wide. Tldr: never

are made by exactly I’ve company world wide

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Creat discuss.tchncs.de Creat@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-16
#21 · Quote Reply

are made by exactly I’ve company world wide

Fixed, thx.

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