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Every Homo naledi we know of is female, and the implications are fascinating
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Midnight slrpnk.net Midnight@slrpnk.net
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Wrufieotnak feddit.org Wrufieotnak@feddit.org
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Very interesting article. And I agree with the authors conclusion: a collection of just female corpses is not random. So grave site it is. And the final question is something I hadn't considered yet: how do we treat a non-human cultures remains? Scientifically its important to analyse it, but I understand that at a certain point it becomes grave robbery.

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NightFantom slrpnk.net NightFantom@slrpnk.net
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Very interesting article. And I agree with the authors conclusion: a collection of just female corpses is not random. So grave site it is. And the final question is something I hadn't considered yet: how do we treat a non-human cultures remains? Scientifically its important to analyse it, but I understand that at a certain point it becomes grave robbery.

That's never stopped archaeologists before for human cultures either

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givesomefucks lemmy.world givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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Very interesting article. And I agree with the authors conclusion: a collection of just female corpses is not random. So grave site it is. And the final question is something I hadn't considered yet: how do we treat a non-human cultures remains? Scientifically its important to analyse it, but I understand that at a certain point it becomes grave robbery.

I mean...

They're more likely to be hybrids instead of a real species. They have dental traces of both near sapian cousins and only found in waaaaaay more ancestral cousins.

With hybrids it's actually kind of common for males to abort before birth. Something about the mothers immune reaction to the y chromosome or something, I'm going off memory.

But it could also explain why that group of hybrids lived alone.

A hypothetical reason for why human/neanderthal hybrids tended to be born to human mothers, was neanderthals developed faster. So to a neanderthal mother, a hybrid appeared to have developmental delays mentally while also being a weakling and never lived to reach its intellectual peak.

Meanwhile a hybrid raised among humans would develop physically faster and always be stronger, but also develop mentally faster, even if not peaking as high.

It's possible that Naledi may have only been capable of reproducing females from one or both origin species. Or even been a neutral (possibly sterile) group between the two origin species where hybrids (always female) were abandoned to be raised but what may have been outcasts.

Like, we honestly can't even say they're a unique species and we've been off by a lot more before.

Scientifically its important to analyse it, but I understand that at a certain point it becomes grave robbery.

I feel like 10,000 years is a pretty safe line...

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Contramuffin lemmy.world Contramuffin@lemmy.world
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I mean... They're more likely to be hybrids instead of a real species. They have dental traces of both near sapian cousins and only found in waaaaaay more ancestral cousins. With hybrids it's actually kind of common for males to abort before birth. Something about the mothers immune reaction to the y chromosome or something, I'm going off memory. But it could also explain why that group of hybr...

Is there any evidence that Neanderthals were less intelligent than humans at their peak? I was under the impression that recent research has basically completely nullified the idea that Neanderthals were less intelligent, and the current belief is that they're just as intelligent as humans. Is there newer research that I'm not aware of that contrasts this line of thinking?

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Viceversa lemmy.world Viceversa@lemmy.world
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Is there any evidence that Neanderthals were less intelligent than humans at their peak? I was under the impression that recent research has basically completely nullified the idea that Neanderthals were less intelligent, and the current belief is that they're just as intelligent as humans. Is there newer research that I'm not aware of that contrasts this line of thinking?

Why they extinct?

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Contramuffin lemmy.world Contramuffin@lemmy.world
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Why they extinct?

My understanding was that they went extinct because they needed more calories to stay alive (due to their strength) and also they stayed together in smaller groups of ~10-20 people, compared to humans' ~100 people groups.

When Neanderthals came into contact with humans, they were either absorbed into or outcompeted by human groups

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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
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My understanding was that they went extinct because they needed more calories to stay alive (due to their strength) and also they stayed together in smaller groups of ~10-20 people, compared to humans' ~100 people groups. When Neanderthals came into contact with humans, they were either absorbed into or outcompeted by human groups

It also seems they lacked the dexterity of humans. So they had to hunt with spears by stabbing at them instead of throwing them from a safer distance.

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Swedneck discuss.tchncs.de Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
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Very interesting article. And I agree with the authors conclusion: a collection of just female corpses is not random. So grave site it is. And the final question is something I hadn't considered yet: how do we treat a non-human cultures remains? Scientifically its important to analyse it, but I understand that at a certain point it becomes grave robbery.

why would species have anything whatsoever to do with this? Everyone deserves respect regardless, obviously.

IMO the ideal is to just leave things be if we're confident it won't be disturbed (this is both respectful and means we can use better methods to study it in the future), and if we're not confident then we extract things and preserve them in as respectful a manner as possible.
Don't disturb more than necessary, have people perform whatever rituals they feel are suitable, and if at all possible restore the site as close as possible to how it was (but making sure it won't degrade).

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Wrufieotnak feddit.org Wrufieotnak@feddit.org
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why would species have anything whatsoever to do with this? Everyone deserves respect regardless, obviously. IMO the ideal is to just leave things be if we're confident it won't be disturbed (this is both respectful and means we can use better methods to study it in the future), and if we're not confident then we extract things and preserve them in as respectful a manner as possible. Don't dist...

Becaude we cant ask descendants about their wishes for example.

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Swedneck discuss.tchncs.de Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
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Becaude we cant ask descendants about their wishes for example.

but that applies to most human remains, there is no sensible descendant for people who died more than like.. 2000 years ago.

I just don't see how the species makes any difference, we're all equally people.

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Swedneck discuss.tchncs.de Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
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Why they extinct?

Are they extinct? Many people have a fairly significant amount of neanderthal DNA.

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HubertManne piefed.social HubertManne@piefed.social
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man I have had these things where im like. if your over a certain age sex and gender where considered synonymous. I get that in modern times the view is changing but here if you have a scientific news article using the term gender for sex. I just think we went form consistancy to inconsistency with the terms.

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Viceversa lemmy.world Viceversa@lemmy.world
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Are they extinct? Many people have a fairly significant amount of neanderthal DNA.

If they wouldn't be extinct, we would have neanderthal DNA with a fairly significant amount of other DNA.

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