cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/48586784

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Helps that Europe is warming faster than the global average. Karma, I guess.

"I feel better!"

"Shutup, you're dead."

cat in background, being swung, yowling

"Actually, might go for a walk."

Conservative politics: apocalypse any% speedrun

What do you mean by karma? Europe is doing the most to stop global warming.

That bottom image is, like, the most aggressively chic weather forecast I've ever seen.

Source? Not to say they aren't putting in a ton of effort and making great progress. It's just hard for me to see them as the biggest force in stopping global warming when China built an entire Germany of electrical capacity last year and almost all of it was renewables

Their manufacturing leadership has brought solar and wind down so cheap that it's no longer economical to use create non-renewable generators in most cases. They're also doing a fantastic job producing new electric cars and industrial scale batteries

China is still massively polluting but they're showing a kind of leadership on climate change that I wish I saw in America

I'm curious to hear your take on why Europe is doing the most on climate change

Europe (alongside the USA and other countries of the "western world") has been releasing disgusting amounts of climate change-inducing gases since the 18th century, and they (alongside the USA) were the main profiteers of climate pollution until the latter half of the 20th century. Arguably still are, though other countries like China and Brazil also play a part now.

Granted, this treats nations as monoliths, it's not like the population of most countries really had a choice for the most part.

You know what would help this situation?

AI

Lots and lots of AI.

Also more religion.

This is also how I see the movie Idiocracy vs Reality. Reality is plain worse

"I feel happy!"

"You're not fooling anyone."

You’re not wrong, that’s literally their goal.

You know what would help this situation?
AI

Damn snowflakes. In our days we would have fixed that with a photoshop.

le weather

AI will totally develop to a point it comes up with a miracle solution that needs no change in lifestyle or social system. /s

Yeah, the dummies said “bet” and no one has curbed their child rearing to reduce overall impact.

I'm from Spain

We are all gonna die!

Uy.... siempre pueden refugiarse en las ex colonias... digo, aca en argentina todavia safa

Esto esta bien jodido, y con el supuesto niño que se viene, no nos van a quedar dientes

¿Sigue Argentina esperando que la salve el mercado libre?

Oh, thank the merciful lord and saviour.

I was a bit worried that we were actually going to have to do something meaningful there for a second, phew!!

Data centers are fast tracking climate change

It's documented in every COP report. Our electricity is mostly carbon-free thanks to renewable and nuclear. Our industry is gone to China. Heating with fossil fuel is being replaced with electric installation and heat pumps...

China was polluting a lot more, that's where a lot of room for improvement existed.

In context: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?time=earliest..2024

Per capita Europe is close to world average. Your comment makes no sense.

(I'm a bit harsh)

China is polluting because they produce the European and American stuff over there. On their own they'd still pollute but much less.

Argentina esta nadando en mierda desde hace 100 años, no desde que sus diarios se acordaron de donde estamos.

Lo unico que espera argentina es que messi traiga otra copa.

But at least we generated value for the shareholders.

Anyway check out my new truck "the gas guzzler 4000"

Unironically yes. AI would help us to change the climate

Right now, yes, but for the vast majority of history it wasn't even close. Your link shows that China only met the EU's per capita emissions in 2013, when climate change was already pretty far along. And they are still profiting from their past emissions via the wealth and societal development that they generated back then.

That's fair, but you can't deny Europe has done much better than its counterparts for more than 2 decades. Europe is not the guilty one there.

Make it hotter, duh

But, consider this: there was a time from before two decades ago. There are rumours that there are even people who are older than 20. Scary, I know.

So you're blaming mistakes made more than 20 years ago while forgetting those who were made since? Totally objective and fair opinion...

Don't blame everything on the data centers. Everything else is doing its part in contributing to climate change.

Apart from that data centers, at the scale at which we seem them pop up now, are way too young to have a considerable effect on the current heat wave. Which doesn't mean that they won't in the future. Climate change is, after all, a decades long project

Nice of you to side-track with current emissions (per capita even), and not cumulative historical emissions, which were actually mentioned.

Feel free to compare different countries yourself: https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-metrics (I'm not sure why ourworldindata doesn't just put all of this on one page instead of splitting it up. It's always a hassle to find the right one it even is on the same page, I just didn't look close enough) The more interesting comparison might be high-income vs low-income countries.

To get back to the discussion: Yes, Europes share is not as huge as it used to be, and it's getting lower, but what can be seen from @Tehdastehdas@piefed.social graph is that that's less due to Europe behaving better and rather due to other countries polluting more. Not a good argument for saying "Europe is doing better now"

I didn't know Spain is Middle Earth!!!

I remember I saw a statistics that China is producing twice more emmisions per person and USA four times more.

And I found this is pretty website with a lot of comparison Our World in Data - CO2 Emissions. Europe was producing almost exclusively til 1900 but since then USA dominated until China took over in 2000. According to the page, EU was responsible for 6.3% of all emissions in 2024, and Europe in total for 12.7%. Pretty much equal to USA emmisions. And while it is much more then South America, Africa and Oceania, it is still a fraction of Asia emmisions.

Yet those most affected by heatwaves are elderly and chronically ill people who can‘t afford proper cooling technology.

It‘s not hurting those in power, it‘s hurting those already marginalised.

When 10k more data centers are built, the climate will be way beyond the tipping point

This Summer for sure

Its a millennia long project.

This is another reason why geoengineering is such a bad idea. Even if you stumble onto something that works without killing everyone, you have to consistently do it for many centuries.

Well hung & dessicated.

America could have had pioneer advantage but they fucked it because the political system there has been corrupted by money.

For example Israel bans private funding to politicians and political parties, it's a criminal offence, funding is organised nationally from public funds, if US politicians didn't whore themselves out to special interests it might actually start being able to represent the electorate

But since both parties have their snouts in the trough the country will continue to represent those that pay the most money first and foremost

Also let's concentrate most of the world's wealth into the hands of a handful of creepy psychopaths. That would probably solve everything.

explosive diarrhoea? or hung like a horse ?

I haven't said helping people, I said helping in changing the climate, or helping increasing shareholders' value or whatever