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Drukob feddit.org Drukob@feddit.org
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Lichess analysis board

FEN: 8/2p5/1kp5/p1q5/P7/8/5Q2/6K1 w - - 1 5

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AeronMelon lemmy.world aeronmelon@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-12-26
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Not a professional player, but someone judge my strategy:

White queen takes black queen, black king takes white queen, white king then moves into position to block black pawns from reaching the end of the board. Black king cannot move into check, black pawns cannot move to the side. Stalemate.

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Daisy (she/her) lemmy.ml TechieDamien@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2021-06-26
#3 · Quote Reply

If you move your king away to the corner, then black either has to leave their queen unprotected, or take yours and accept a stalemate (best move for black).

Quite a tricky one. I got so tunnel visioned on trying to block the pawns, but ultimately realised it was futile.

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7uWqKj lemmy.world 7uWqKj@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-03-27
#4 · Quote Reply

Not a professional player, but someone judge my strategy: White queen takes black queen, black king takes white queen, white king then moves into position to block black pawns from reaching the end of the board. Black king cannot move into check, black pawns cannot move to the side. Stalemate.

I think you’re right. Looks counter-intuitive because trading queens puts the black king in the perfect position to capture our pawn, giving black two passed pawns against a lone king. Didn’t calculate it all the way through, so I don’t know whether it’s black or white who’s going to be stalemated.

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vext01 feddit.uk vext01@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-05
#5 · Quote Reply

Funny that stockfish suggests black makes a stalemate.

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Diplomjodler lemmy.world Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-01-08
#6 · Quote Reply

If you move your king away to the corner, then black either has to leave their queen unprotected, or take yours and accept a stalemate (best move for black). Quite a tricky one. I got so tunnel visioned on trying to block the pawns, but ultimately realised it was futile.

But that won't work either. Black will find an opportunity to either swap the queens without a stalemate or get one of their pawns through.

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hayvan piefed.world hayvan@piefed.world
Joined: 2025-12-06
#7 · Quote Reply

Not a professional player, but someone judge my strategy: White queen takes black queen, black king takes white queen, white king then moves into position to block black pawns from reaching the end of the board. Black king cannot move into check, black pawns cannot move to the side. Stalemate.

I'm not sure. Black king rushing to 2-row could stop white from reaching C1 by moving to B2. Without occupying C1, white cannot stalemate.

Now what if white plays King to H1. Black queen cannot capture because that's a stalemate, and cannot get out of the way because it's a check. But I'm not sure how the game goes from there.

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Daisy (she/her) lemmy.ml TechieDamien@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2021-06-26
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But that won't work either. Black will find an opportunity to either swap the queens without a stalemate or get one of their pawns through.

Their queen is pinned to the king, so they either: move the king away and give you the queen, move the queen towards your queen and give away their queen, or take your queen and force stalemate. There are no other legal options.

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Diplomjodler lemmy.world Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-01-08
#9 · Quote Reply

Their queen is pinned to the king, so they either: move the king away and give you the queen, move the queen towards your queen and give away their queen, or take your queen and force stalemate. There are no other legal options.

Oh. Right. Sneaky little bugger.

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missingno fedia.io missingno@fedia.io
Joined: 2024-06-28
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I'm not sure. Black king rushing to 2-row could stop white from reaching C1 by moving to B2. Without occupying C1, white cannot stalemate. Now what if white plays King to H1. Black queen cannot capture because that's a stalemate, and cannot get out of the way because it's a check. But I'm not sure how the game goes from there.

If Kh1, Black loses if they don't accept the stalemate. It's otherwise zugzwang, any move besides Qxf2 results in losing their queen.

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missingno fedia.io missingno@fedia.io
Joined: 2024-06-28
#11 · Quote Reply

Not a professional player, but someone judge my strategy: White queen takes black queen, black king takes white queen, white king then moves into position to block black pawns from reaching the end of the board. Black king cannot move into check, black pawns cannot move to the side. Stalemate.

If you click onto the Lichess analysis board linked, the second button from the left on the bottom-right panel lets you play the position against the computer. Try it and see if you can actually prevent the pawn promotion that way...

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bangupjobasusual lemmy.world bangupjobasusual@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#12 · Quote Reply

If you move your king away to the corner, then black either has to leave their queen unprotected, or take yours and accept a stalemate (best move for black). Quite a tricky one. I got so tunnel visioned on trying to block the pawns, but ultimately realised it was futile.

You mean away from the corner, right?
kF1

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Daisy (she/her) lemmy.ml TechieDamien@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2021-06-26
#13 · Quote Reply

You mean away from the corner, right? kF1

No, kh1

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bangupjobasusual lemmy.world bangupjobasusual@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#14 · (edited) Quote Reply

No, kh1

But Qxf2

Look at Kf1, black has to back the king off. Queen capture is unavoidable

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Daisy (she/her) lemmy.ml TechieDamien@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2021-06-26
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But Qxf2 Look at Kf1, black has to back the king off. Queen capture is unavoidable

Yeah, but Qxf2 is stalemate, hence you don't lose

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