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алсааас [she/her] lemmy.dbzer0.com alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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lugal sopuli.xyz lugal@sopuli.xyz
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I don't get "Left Coms". Wasn't Trotskyist a catch all term for Marxists left of Stalin? The POUM in the Spanish civil war was considered trotskyist even tho Trotsky himself condemned them. Even in the closer sense, "hate" doesn't fit. Also, Left Coms are the Marxists closest to anarchism. If it was "Stalinist" instead of "Left Coms", the meme would be funny.

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Fortatech gregtech.eu Fortatech@gregtech.eu
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Rosa Luxemburg killed social democrats???!!!?

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Lvxferre [he/him] mander.xyz lvxferre@mander.xyz
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I don't get "Left Coms". Wasn't Trotskyist a catch all term for Marxists left of Stalin? The POUM in the Spanish civil war was considered trotskyist even tho Trotsky himself condemned them. Even in the closer sense, "hate" doesn't fit. Also, Left Coms are the Marxists closest to anarchism. If it was "Stalinist" instead of "Left Coms", the meme would be funny.
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bdonvr thelemmy.club bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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Rosa Luxemburg killed social democrats???!!!?

Look she can only be so cool

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FrowingFostek lemmy.world FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
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Let's be fair, who doesn't love Rosa?

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The D Quuuuuill slrpnk.net Quill7513@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-06-26
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fwiw in my life experience, Trotskyists tend to be more pragmatic about integrating ideas from the full spectrum of leftism. i also have to acknowledge that Trotsky has been instrumental to the revolutionary movements of the global south. where i have to critique Trotskyists is the ones i have known have a tendency to dismiss credible accusations of authoritarian comrades being fascists and will say stuff like "we need to break the status quo first, we'll deal with that after the revolution" then after the uprising the authoritarian faction purges the Trots and says they were secret fascist counter revolutionaries all along.

it's a thing where like… i'm reminded of Trotsky himself. he thought Lenin was a blowhard asshole and he sided with the mensheviks until the Bolsheviks got moving. then he joined the Bolsheviks, believing the best strategy was to get on board with the revolution even if the revolution wasn't perfect. then when Stalin seized power despite Lenin wanting to keep him away from power, Trotsky was out. i guess what i'm getting at is i have a great deal for Trotskyists even i think they miss the mark in some critical aspects. what i find most funny though is the extent to which MLs will go to say Trotsky got what he deserved and Trotskyists are fake leftists and still have the Trotskyists prefer to ally themselves with MLs than other 3rd camp leftists like anarchists

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Commiunism lemmy.dbzer0.com commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Yet barely anyone knows her actual positions

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ZombiFrancis sh.itjust.works ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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Hey, the social democrats only formed a coalition with insurrectionist monarchists, like Erich Ludendorff, to kill Rosa for them, so that they could maintain the government they inherited from the Kaiser ahead of elections.

Gotta be fair about these things! This is just Freikorps erasure!

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Commiunism lemmy.dbzer0.com commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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I don't get "Left Coms". Wasn't Trotskyist a catch all term for Marxists left of Stalin? The POUM in the Spanish civil war was considered trotskyist even tho Trotsky himself condemned them. Even in the closer sense, "hate" doesn't fit. Also, Left Coms are the Marxists closest to anarchism. If it was "Stalinist" instead of "Left Coms", the meme would be funny.

What leftcom refers to are either the Dutch/German council communist tendency that is largely dead, or the Italian tendency that generally follow Marx/Engels/Lenin theories and are often associated with figures like Bordiga/Damen, though they do have their differences, namely on the national question which was the burning question in first half of 20th century. It's insanely broad but also unique from other communist tendencies.

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Lvxferre [he/him] mander.xyz lvxferre@mander.xyz
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fwiw in my life experience, Trotskyists tend to be more pragmatic about integrating ideas from the full spectrum of leftism. i also have to acknowledge that Trotsky has been instrumental to the revolutionary movements of the global south. where i have to critique Trotskyists is the ones i have known have a tendency to dismiss credible accusations of authoritarian comrades being fascists and wil...
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lugal sopuli.xyz lugal@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-07-16
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What leftcom refers to are either the Dutch/German council communist tendency that is largely dead, or the Italian tendency that generally follow Marx/Engels/Lenin theories and are often associated with figures like Bordiga/Damen, though they do have their differences, namely on the national question which was the burning question in first half of 20th century. It's insanely broad but also uniq...

the Dutch/German council communist tendency

Sounds even closer to anarchism. Isn't that where anarchists and Marxists worked together? As in the council republic of Munich where anarchists like Erich Mühsam was active.

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lugal sopuli.xyz lugal@sopuli.xyz
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Which puts them right between trotskyists and anarchists. Maybe I understand the meme wrong and the whole point is that even similar tendencies hate each other

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The D Quuuuuill slrpnk.net Quill7513@slrpnk.net
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interesting! i guess that makes a lot of sense why Trotskyists would gravitate to more authoritarian models than their own rather than coalition building with less authoritarian models. i trend towards focusing more on what groups are doing and how they're helping and worrying less about who's in charge (and have even observed that groups survive longer if there's no one person in charge). thank you for the perspective on group dynamics!

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naevaTheRat lemmy.dbzer0.com naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-07-02
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Yet barely anyone knows her actual positions

Upright about 2/3 of the day. Horizontal the rest.

Pssh, easy.

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Commiunism lemmy.dbzer0.com commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#16 · (edited) Quote Reply

the Dutch/German council communist tendency Sounds even closer to anarchism. Isn't that where anarchists and Marxists worked together? As in the council republic of Munich where anarchists like Erich Mühsam was active.

Not really, it's essentially just another way to organize DOTP so it's still opposed to Anarchism. Pannenkoek was a heavy critic of Anarchism, calling them radical liberals in one of his texts on the matter.

As for the event you reference, I honestly dont know anything about it so can't comment on it

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Commiunism lemmy.dbzer0.com commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Upright about 2/3 of the day. Horizontal the rest. Pssh, easy.

I'd argue she's actually spinning 24/7 due to all the leftist claims that she was some sort of wholesome libertarian pseudo-anarchist socialist

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naevaTheRat lemmy.dbzer0.com naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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I'd argue she's actually spinning 24/7 due to all the leftist claims that she was some sort of wholesome libertarian pseudo-anarchist socialist

There are only two systems of organisation though. Bolshevik and Anarchist. She was critical of the former, ergo...

Honestly, you act like understanding people's views requires reading them but imagemacros and meme formats are how education happens now grand(pa/ma)

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Commiunism lemmy.dbzer0.com commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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There are only two systems of organisation though. Bolshevik and Anarchist. She was critical of the former, ergo... Honestly, you act like understanding people's views requires reading them but imagemacros and meme formats are how education happens now grand(pa/ma)

Lmao

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