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The chances of this actually being connected is probably near zero (since rising dizziness is global, but datacenters are mostly in few countries), but still felt funny enough to post.

Randomly stumbled upon this while researching why are so many people around lately feeling dizzy.

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ivan piefed.social ivan@piefed.social
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Infrasound. Proven Possible (>100dB is absolutely harmful though, lower levels are object of studies now and testing on humans yielded inconclusive results) negative impact on people's health and general wellbeing, waves travel quite far and have high penetration, and data centers are absolutely the source of it with all the fans and pumps.

Not saying that there 1:1 causation here, but having a data center around will absolutely make you miserable, and dizzy too.

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Infrasound. Proven Possible (>100dB is absolutely harmful though, lower levels are object of studies now and testing on humans yielded inconclusive results) negative impact on people's health and general wellbeing, waves travel quite far and have high penetration, and data centers are absolutely the source of it with all the fans and pumps. Not saying that there 1:1 causation here, but havin...

How far does that actually travel, and how does that compare to other bad stuff that has been around longer, like refineries or power substations or whatever?

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The Stoned Hacker lemmy.world erev@lemmy.world
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How far does that actually travel, and how does that compare to other bad stuff that has been around longer, like refineries or power substations or whatever?

When datacenters are being powered by unregulated natural gas generators then it has a massive impact

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craftrabbit lemmy.zip craftrabbit@lemmy.zip
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The chances of this actually being connected is probably near zero (since rising dizziness is global, but datacenters are mostly in few countries), but still felt funny enough to post. Randomly stumbled upon this while researching why are so many people around lately feeling dizzy.

I didn't even know dizziness was on the rise! What did you find?

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drolex sopuli.xyz drolex@sopuli.xyz
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It's actually

Causation causes correlation

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Setiyeti93 lemmy.ca Setiyeti93@lemmy.ca
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How far does that actually travel, and how does that compare to other bad stuff that has been around longer, like refineries or power substations or whatever?

https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?is=V2TgYgy6_cqwgCYC

A very informative video

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How far does that actually travel, and how does that compare to other bad stuff that has been around longer, like refineries or power substations or whatever?

data centres have been around for decades as well, I believe it's the new hyper scaler data centres that possibly have this infrasound thingo

But that's nothing related to a google trend graph of dizziness and data centres, that's as the OP says, random

These are great:

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

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mufkin lemmy.zip mufkin@lemmy.zip
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I’m pretty sure this is made up.

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ladicius lemmy.world ladicius@lemmy.world
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I didn't even know dizziness was on the rise! What did you find?

Maybe rising CO2 levels? Just guessing.

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Zwiebel feddit.org Zwiebel@feddit.org
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Maybe rising CO2 levels? Just guessing.

Post covid effects? I've been dizzy often since then

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Contramuffin lemmy.world Contramuffin@lemmy.world
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I didn't even know dizziness was on the rise! What did you find?

If I were to guess, probably heat stroke due to rising temperatures. Which, if true, would also be worsened by having more data centers

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Osprey lemmy.world Osprey@lemmy.world
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I didn't even know dizziness was on the rise! What did you find?

Stress or anxiety can also cause dizziness.

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I’m pretty sure this is made up.

https://trends.google.com/explore?q=dizziness%2CData%2520centers&date=today+5-y&geo=Worldwide

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How far does that actually travel, and how does that compare to other bad stuff that has been around longer, like refineries or power substations or whatever?

Where I live there's a refinery, about ten years ago they changed the burners on the tall torches for a new kind that burn apparently cleaner but they make a lot more noise. It is 6km away with no direct line of sight, the low pitch rumble makes some of the windows in my house rattle.

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I didn't even know dizziness was on the rise! What did you find?

Nothing solid. Imma about to put on my tinfoil hat and start looking at the Russian satellites. Realistically I'm way over my head here and I hope someone else notices the weird trend. The only reason I started looking around is because I feel slightly dizzy for the past 3 months and decided to ask around. Surprisingly alot of people are experiencing the same thing. I'm from Baltics. All health checkups return perfectly fine.

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How far does that actually travel, and how does that compare to other bad stuff that has been around longer, like refineries or power substations or whatever?

So, you may have noticed that 5 GHz Wi-Fi has smaller coverage area than 2.4 GHz.

It works that way all the way down to infrasound, which is <20 Hz, and natural examples would be whale communications (thousands of kilometers) or volcano eruptions (infrasound wave from Krakatoa eruption lapped around entire globe multiple times).

As for human factors - basically any big industrial tech object is gonna be the source of ultrasound. So it's kind of safe to assume that infrasound from data centers may be "heard" from at least several kilometers away. Dunno how it compares to refineries and power substations - but they're also source of that.

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Holy shit, dizziness causes data centers?!

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Nothing solid. Imma about to put on my tinfoil hat and start looking at the Russian satellites. Realistically I'm way over my head here and I hope someone else notices the weird trend. The only reason I started looking around is because I feel slightly dizzy for the past 3 months and decided to ask around. Surprisingly alot of people are experiencing the same thing. I'm from Baltics. All health...

'Over my head' haha

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The chances of this actually being connected is probably near zero (since rising dizziness is global, but datacenters are mostly in few countries), but still felt funny enough to post. Randomly stumbled upon this while researching why are so many people around lately feeling dizzy.

You ever spin in a circle? You do it a few times you don't really notoce, you do it a lot, younget dizzy.

The earth has been spinning in a lot of cirxles, and we are starting to cross into the "do it a lot" range of spins.

-- Calvin's Dad

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Zagorath quokk.au Zagorath@quokk.au
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https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?is=V2TgYgy6_cqwgCYC A very informative video

https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo

Same link without the tracking parameter.

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boonhet sopuli.xyz boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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So, you may have noticed that 5 GHz Wi-Fi has smaller coverage area than 2.4 GHz. It works that way all the way down to infrasound, which is &lt;20 Hz, and natural examples would be whale communications (thousands of kilometers) or volcano eruptions (infrasound wave from Krakatoa eruption lapped around entire globe multiple times). As for human factors - basically any big industrial tech object...

At night I could hear a train idle from a kilometer away through town easily. That was still in the audible range, not infrasound, and also it was literally just the engine idling, not the train being driven - not super loud even if standing next to it. A bit louder than a car.

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data centres have been around for decades as well, I believe it's the new hyper scaler data centres that possibly have this infrasound thingo But that's nothing related to a google trend graph of dizziness and data centres, that's as the OP says, random These are great: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Spurious shmurious! The causation here is clear: eating butter generates wind farms. Eat more butter to save the planet everyone! It's undeniable science!

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Infrasound. Proven Possible (&gt;100dB is absolutely harmful though, lower levels are object of studies now and testing on humans yielded inconclusive results) negative impact on people's health and general wellbeing, waves travel quite far and have high penetration, and data centers are absolutely the source of it with all the fans and pumps. Not saying that there 1:1 causation here, but havin...

Great video about this here

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Jadey feddit.nl snw@feddit.nl
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Nothing solid. Imma about to put on my tinfoil hat and start looking at the Russian satellites. Realistically I'm way over my head here and I hope someone else notices the weird trend. The only reason I started looking around is because I feel slightly dizzy for the past 3 months and decided to ask around. Surprisingly alot of people are experiencing the same thing. I'm from Baltics. All health...

it's interesting, in dutch Google trends, "dizziness" has a similar graph but "duizeligheid", the Dutch translation for it, is a flat line

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it's interesting, in dutch Google trends, "dizziness" has a similar graph but "duizeligheid", the Dutch translation for it, is a flat line

Interestingly enough, in my language (Latvian), medical term is "Vertigo". Out of 5 years, the term had most searches (100) on April 2026.

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marcos lemmy.world marcos@lemmy.world
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Holy shit, dizziness causes data centers?!

The delay implies on the other direction. Let's see if dizziness reduces a bit in 6 months.

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mufkin lemmy.zip mufkin@lemmy.zip
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https://trends.google.com/explore?q=dizziness%2CData%2520centers&amp;date=today+5-y&amp;geo=Worldwide

Just stop. You could have put that in your post. I’m not clicking that link. Post your evidence and not a screenshot. Do better.

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Infrasound. Proven Possible (&gt;100dB is absolutely harmful though, lower levels are object of studies now and testing on humans yielded inconclusive results) negative impact on people's health and general wellbeing, waves travel quite far and have high penetration, and data centers are absolutely the source of it with all the fans and pumps. Not saying that there 1:1 causation here, but havin...

Has it been proven? I see articles that suggest pathways or mechanisms.

But when I looked for a double blind study with controls, they do not find any effects at all. Arguably the majority of studies are around 8 hour periods or sleep period, not 24 hour exposure. But you would think they would find something. They did hearing tests, blood test, brain activity tests, and emotional response "feeling" scores. It just isnt there conclusively.

People started doing a lot of this research because of the wind turbines, which also are very loud, run as long as their is wind, and produce infrasound.

Don't get me wrong: I am not defending putting loud constant noise machines near people, this should be part of a zoning regulation. That seems bad enough, infrasound or not.

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It's actually Causation causes correlation

Correlation causes causation.

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#32 · (edited) Quote Reply

The delay implies on the other direction. Let's see if dizziness reduces a bit in 6 months.

But it really doesn't.

You could replace number of data centers with total number of Taylor Swift songs released and get that same idea. Taylor Swift music existing causes dizziness, and it must be stopped.

Or you could replace number of data centers with "Sean Connery alive?" and decide dizziness has been going up since he died. He was somehow guarding the world against becoming dizzy, and we lost that protection when he passed. :/

Putting two random things on a chart like this doesn't actually show or imply anything, other than that the person who made it likely wants you to believe there's some kind of connection.

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marcos lemmy.world marcos@lemmy.world
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But it really doesn't. You could replace number of data centers with total number of Taylor Swift songs released and get that same idea. Taylor Swift music existing causes dizziness, and it must be stopped. Or you could replace number of data centers with "Sean Connery alive?" and decide dizziness has been going up since he died. He was somehow guarding the world against becoming dizzy, and we ...

Eh...

It doesn't get anything similar to the same result.

https://trends.google.com.br/trends/explore?date=today+5-y&q=dizziness%2CSean+Connery+alive%3F&hl=pt-BR

You are trying to say it's a coincidence, and that's probably correct. But it's perfectly possible that the interest in datacenters leads to an interest in dizziness, or that they are related by some hidden variable.

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#34 · (edited) Quote Reply

Eh... It doesn't get anything similar to the same result. https://trends.google.com.br/trends/explore?date=today+5-y&amp;q=dizziness%2CSean+Connery+alive%3F&amp;hl=pt-BR You are trying to say it's a coincidence, and that's probably correct. But it's perfectly possible that the interest in datacenters leads to an interest in dizziness, or that they are related by some hidden variable.

... You seem to be assuming Google search frequencies are the only reasonable metric to measure the increase of a thing in the world.

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tonyn lemmy.ml tonyn@lemmy.ml
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It's not just diziness

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Over 30 years in data centers, no dizziness. I do have a deep contempt on the amount of waste and it has grown over those 30 years...

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Just stop. You could have put that in your post. I’m not clicking that link. Post your evidence and not a screenshot. Do better.

Please scroll up and look at the community name.

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If I were to guess, probably heat stroke due to rising temperatures. Which, if true, would also be worsened by having more data centers

It looks like the rate of searches starts going up around January 2026 though, middle of winter in the northern hemisphere. Unless Australia was having a heat wave? They're probably prone to dizziness anyway being upside down all the time

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Post covid effects? I've been dizzy often since then

severe upper respirtory can affect your vestibular system, causing vertigo. i did get balance problem one time from a pretty bad flu infection, but never covid.

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some_kind_of_guy lemmy.world some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world
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Correlation causes causation.

Causation is correlated with causes

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If I were to guess, probably heat stroke due to rising temperatures. Which, if true, would also be worsened by having more data centers

I would have guessed latent response to bioaccumulation of lead from leaded gasoline, or increased CO2 in the (local) atmosphere

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#43 · Quote Reply

Causation is correlated with causes

correlation is causiated with correlations

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Well infra sound isnt audible but does damage the body.

Sort of how radiation is invisible but still damaged the body. And takes a while to show.

It works very similarly in infrasound except it's a different kind of damage.

It's known to cause cardiovascular damage and organ damage as well as dizziness and damage to hearing organs and vestibular system.

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#45 · (edited) Quote Reply

I mean f**k AI and massive datacenters near residential areas but I think some of this could be nocebo

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#46 · Quote Reply

It's not just diziness

It seems you've discovered a real correlation here!

... it's called "cold season" for a reason, and lots of people will be searching for common ailments at the same time.

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tonyn lemmy.ml tonyn@lemmy.ml
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#47 · Quote Reply

It seems you've discovered a real correlation here! ... it's called "cold season" for a reason, and lots of people will be searching for common ailments at the same time.

That doesn't explain the huge spike over the past 6 months, and cold season has been over for about 5 of those months.

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#48 · Quote Reply

Well infra sound isnt audible but does damage the body. Sort of how radiation is invisible but still damaged the body. And takes a while to show. It works very similarly in infrasound except it's a different kind of damage. It's known to cause cardiovascular damage and organ damage as well as dizziness and damage to hearing organs and vestibular system.

Please cite some sources

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#49 · (edited) Quote Reply

Infrasound. Proven Possible (&gt;100dB is absolutely harmful though, lower levels are object of studies now and testing on humans yielded inconclusive results) negative impact on people's health and general wellbeing, waves travel quite far and have high penetration, and data centers are absolutely the source of it with all the fans and pumps. Not saying that there 1:1 causation here, but havin...

Please cite sources for this claim? Infrasound has not been shown to have “proven negative impact.” That is fear-mongering on par with “wifi makes people sick.”

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#50 · Quote Reply

It looks like the rate of searches starts going up around January 2026 though, middle of winter in the northern hemisphere. Unless Australia was having a heat wave? They're probably prone to dizziness anyway being upside down all the time

Yeah, and their toilets flush the wrong way too. That's gotta make a person dizzy, I mean our bodies are 80% water. Although Australians are probably more like 60% water if we're being honest

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Nothing solid. Imma about to put on my tinfoil hat and start looking at the Russian satellites. Realistically I'm way over my head here and I hope someone else notices the weird trend. The only reason I started looking around is because I feel slightly dizzy for the past 3 months and decided to ask around. Surprisingly alot of people are experiencing the same thing. I'm from Baltics. All health...

That's odd, I just had a random moment of dizziness today. I assumed it was the heat, but I've had heat sickness before and it didn't feel like that. It felt like the ground shook for a moment, but no one else seemed to notice.

I'm across the ocean by the way.

And I don't think EMF interference is a crackpot conspiracy theory. Havana syndrome is real, and supposedly the CIA has an undetectable heart attack gun. Sonic weapons exist, so why not RF weapons? Not saying they're okay, just possible. And anything that's possible is likely at this point...

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