It sounds like anonny learned a valuable lesson that day

Sounds like Atheism, like all belief systems, empowered an asshole with self-righteous validation. Even if you bet on the right horse, it doesn't mean everything you do is automatically justified; empathy is a higher order law.

chocolate doesnt grow on trees

bruh

I was gonna say, it literally does lmao

empathy is a higher order law.

Anon forgot that having an asshole doesn’t mean you should regularly act like one.

Great thing about atheism Anon, no one made ha do that shit but you, and you get to take full responsibility for your actions without the cop-out of "demonic possession". Take that beating with pride knowing that you posses radical freedom.

Sounds like Atheism, like all belief systems

That's not Atheism at all 🤣

Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods, that's it, nothing more, nothing less.

There's no instruction manual or bible or quran instructing him to behave this way, he has picked up what some sort of Americanism and ran with it

This had me thinking of why the english language uses cocoa. Obviously it is cacao, most other languages use the real name as well. One of those "too hard to pronounce" situations? Habit from referring to the beans? Though that second option doesnt really answer the question, why cocoa and not cacao 🫠

Raw ingredients aren't the final product. Cows don't produce cheese.

There is no evidence one way or the other for the existence of god/s, thus Atheism and Religion both make conclusions without evidence, also known as belief, or faith. Lack of belief, or waiting for evidence, is Agnosticism.

While I support freedom of religion, given the harms religion has done over history, I prefer atheism.

That may be the one time when a (gay and fake) parent beating the shit out of their (fake and gay) kid is justified

If you shake the cow before milking it does!

Sorry bro, that's the stereotype and you wont be able to change it. Its our cross to bear

Well, there's strong and weak atheism. Strong atheism being the position akin to "I know there is no god". Agnosticism would be the belief that you cannot draw a conclusion, that the evidence is inconclusive, or that knowledge is impossible. Weak atheism would be the position akin to "there's no reason to believe, so I don't".

To flog a well beaten analogy: the teapot in orbit around the sun directly opposite the earth.
The theist says there's definitely a teapot. The strong atheist says there definitely isn't. The agnostic withholds judgement because we cannot know. The weak atheist says there's no reason to believe there's a teapot.

"Lack of belief" is specifically an atheist trait. Agnosticism is lack of knowing on the matter.
Atheism and agnosticism are compatible, which is why there's often conflation between the two. I personally don't think we can know, but I see no reason to believe.
There are also agnostics who believe in a deity, even though they don't think we can really know.

Finally, for the last bit of pedantry: empirical evidence isn't the only type of knowledge. Math, for example, is not evidence based, nor is it empirical. We don't typically count algebra as a matter of faith however.
There are schools of atheism that would claim that you can know that God does not exist because said existence is logically contradictory in a way that can be deductively demonstrated, similar to how things can be disproven in mathematics.

I just pictured milking string cheese out of an udder, and so you have to suffer too.

99.9% of people are agnostic atheists, so for this argument

thus Atheism and Religion both make conclusions without evidence

No they don't

While I support freedom of religion, given the harms religion has done over history, I prefer atheism

So you're an atheist :) Welcome to the club!

Sadly you'll now have to find a tree with an angel on it and replace it with a bunsen burner, those are the rules of the atheism belief system 😅

I prefer to call strong atheism as anti-theism in order to not conflate it with what you call weak atheism.

I think the difference betweem an absence of belief in a god and the belief in the absence of a god is large enough to warrant separate terms.

Edit: ok apparently the vocabulary of weak and strong atheism is the established one. Still, it leaves an ambiguity into the central word of 'atheism' that I don't like.

Mmmmm straight from the tap into my mouth

Thanks, always have time for well organized pedantry. So 'weak' atheism is basically agnosticism with Occam's razor.

'Agnosticism is lack of knowing on the matter.' is a nice point, it's right there in the word. I'm not sold on '“Lack of belief” is specifically an atheist trait.' though, can easily apply to agnosticism as well (or not for those that do believe).

Personally, I'm happy to eclectically pick and choose wisdom from many religions (shame they so often ignore the source material in practice), but that doesn't make me believe in god/s, merely the psychological usefulness of some ideas. I'm happy to believe in said usefulness even without evidence beyond anecdotal, people are such a mess of contradiction.

🥲 what a struggle for us

I'm off to get some doughnuts, want some?

thus Atheism and Religion both make conclusions without evidence

No they don’t

What, just trust you bro?

So you’re an atheist :) Welcome to the club!

Not cool. I am that which I am, and chose not to say what that is. This is like telling a Jew they're a Christian because the old testament is heavily cribbed from Jewish texts.

Not cool. I am that which I am, and chose not to say what that is

If you do not believe in a god, you are an atheist, I'm sorry that offends you but that is literally the definition

Didn't say I don't believe in god, said there is no evidence.

he must be frightened to think about cocoa trees!

or genetically modifying trees to grow whatever you want!!!!!
😱😱😱😱

but that doesn’t make me believe in god/s

Does not mean I do or do not believe, just that I'm not made to, as said.

Like all belief systems ≠ like all other belief systems

“Pigs, like all felines, are chordates,” is a perfectly valid sentence that doesn’t imply that pigs are felines.

It's pretty clear what he means

Wasn’t this the pedantry chain?

I mean calling atheism a belief system of any kind is like calling not collecting stamps a hobby, it doesn’t make sense

Even if you bet on the right horse

As if there were any other way to hold any kind of opinion about what could be beyond the bounds of reality as we know it, but to just bet on shit we don't know the first thing about. It's all just bets. Nobody knows and everyone is pretending that not only are they right but their rightness is of a superior quality than the claimed rightness of others. They're still all just blind morons betting on horse races that are fixed by minds far closer to the truth and in control of it than they.

But they didn’t do that, just like I didn’t call a pig a feline.

It’s not important though, and this isn’t the pedantry thread, so I’ll drop it.

thanks, I'll consult NOT AI, I USED YOUR FAVOURITE MORALLY CORRECT WAY to see the error in my ways because I'm now more confused 🥲

edit: ok I understand now, you win this round!

Thanks to @cryptiod137@lemmy.world for the downvote, ya weirdo

Oh, sorry. I can explain what I meant.

Earth, like all stars, contains elements.

-doesn’t imply Earth is a star, it’s just comparing it to all stars. If I said “like all other stars,” I would be calling earth a fellow star.

Yep got it, I don't like it because people are literally confused and think Atheism is a belief system (as seen in the replies further down) and the wording doesn't help that, but in terms of pedantry you win 😅

This isn't a "real" distinction, they're just categories people made up, in my opinion, for the sake of arguing. It's nearly impossible to prove that a god does not exist, but evidence keeps mounting every single time a "proof of god's existence" gets refuted. No rational person can claim they are atheist in the sense that they are 100% positive a god doesn't exist, as this is the same baseless belief of a theist.

Agnosticism, on the other hand, is quite wishy-washy, almost apathetic, "oh I don't know, maybe, maybe we can't know, maybe theres a higher power". Pff, way to hedge your bets huh.

I'm ok with whatever gets people through the day, and agnosticism is a much better alternative in that at least even an agnostic theist acknowledges there is no proof, so hopefully they're less susceptible to the whims of those who exploit these gullible folk.

That said, the natural stance should be implicit atheism: all proof suggests there is no god, so that is the logical assumption until further evidence changes this.

Anon the grinch

You get downvoted because you need to consult AI

1. for understanding what's explained to you
2. for what a web search would cover

Ahhhh I forgot where I was for a second

for what a web search would cover

No it wouldn't? How can a web search cover a conversation I'm having with OP?

But anyway I've updated it now

I like your edit.

❤️

Atheism, like all belief systems

You really should educate yourself a little bit more to get to the baseline level.

Even if you bet on the right horse, it doesn’t mean everything you do is automatically justified; empathy is a higher order law.

Oh, nevermind, you're one of those feel-good nonsense wafflers.

Anon blames Atheism for being a pos

Very anon of him, tbf

That’s very true, we never believed in Christmas/religion but never spoiled/ruined it for others, it was their enjoyment.

Granted when we have a kid, we don’t think we’ll be telling them that “Santa is just a famous character of Christmas, and some people have fun believing he’s real, so don’t ruin their fun either” or something like that. Still have plenty of years to think of how to word it better lol :P

Honestly, I think i will "lie" about Santa. Simply because it doesn't really matter and it is fun for them.

You took that personally I guess but I'm the weirdo?

Atheism is any sense is a belief system, the above poster fell deeply into a particular variety of it

I don't know if your comment about AI was sarcasm but I assure you it's not going to help

Atheism is as much a belief as bald is a haircut. Technically slightly different, but makes sense to throw into the same box.

Learning that being right doesn't make you not an arsehole is a lesson too many of us had to learn the hard way.

The satanic temple's 7th tenet sums it up quite well.

Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

Still waiting on my sausage tree

Atheism is not a belief system because it has no beliefs

> Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods, that’s it, nothing more, nothing less.

Replacing angels with bunsen burners and some sort of weird hyperactive form of rationalism is not atheism