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I really don't understand why they're so hung up on this point. The detail of where exactly protesters were murdered really is not very important to anyone else.

Bots usually focus on their programming.

Money probably.

Dogma is important to the religious.

Cowbee has the intellectual honesty of dessalines.

I try not to say horrible things about people like that because it isn't nice, but he really is that awful.

Eventually, they will reach the level of nazis arguing the exact death toll of the Holocaust.

It doesn't matter if the murders of protestors happened in or around the Tiananmen square, it is still colloquially remembered as the "Tiananmen square massacre". I bet cowbee is making excuses on why protestors were killed such as "counterrevolutionaries" or "CIA and Mossad agents" like they claimed about Iran.

I don't disagree. It was always a given whom Dessalines named their account after all. What the French and Americans did to the Haitians was despicable. What Dessalines did to his own people, well they assassinated him for it.

Didn't Zhao Ziyang go down there and plead for everyone to leave... Then spent the rest of his days under house arrest for it...

Wikipedia does say:

1 June meeting among the CCP's leadership decided to clear the square.[14][12][13] Chinese troops advanced into central parts of Beijing through the city's major highways in the early morning hours of 4 June, and engaged in bloody clashes with demonstrators attempting to block them, in which many people – demonstrators, bystanders, and soldiers – were killed or injured. The vast majority of killings were clustered in Beijing's western suburbs along Chang'an Avenue. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundreds to the low thousands, with thousands more wounded.[15][16][17][18][19][20] On June 5, after military forces cleared the Square

...and it also appears accurate to claim that in China it's called the June Fourth Incident. This explains Western ideas that the Tiannamen Square Massacre isn't a known thing in China (possibly just because they call it something else?).

Searching or referring to the june 4 incident and related protests in any way is/was censored in China. Even searching on Weibo for vague cryptic terms like "64" was blocked on the 3rd of june 2019: https://citizenlab.ca/research/censoring-a-commemoration-what-june-4-related-search-terms-are-blocked-on-weibo-today/

Wikipedia doesn't even have the acknowledgement he claims there is. Does he really think we're all too stupid to check his claims?

Nope, they'll just disregard any credible source as "liberal", they'll refer to Wikipedia as "liberal pedia" or some shit if you try to use it against them

Side note: which app are you using that lets you add tags to users?

Not sure what they are using, but Boost has custom tags.

Voyager let's you do that as well.

You used to be able to get Chinese posters kicked off the internet just for saying Tiannamen Square Massacre.

Like full heated debate through it in the response somewhere and that person was gone from the chat/forum.

It was very funny as a troll, but it really did cement the censorship claims

Lots do, but I personally use Boost

even Wikipedia acknowledges that now

Where? In a fantasy he had? Because it doesn't say what he's claiming.

I think it's trying to ease you into accepting their dogma as fact by making you doubt the official story. Nothing more.

When in fact it was protesters against the wave of capitalist reforms, even, who were killed. It wasn't destabilizers, it was hardliner Maoists who were killed. But anything to suit imperial China I guess.

Same reason Certain Groups try and tell you "Aakkkkkshually most Jews died of disease, not gassing"

What I don't get about the ml boycott is, is there a fork of Lemmy being worked on what? And no I'm not taking about pifed.

A drop in replacement fork? No, I've thought about forking it and rewriting in C# (my preferred lang, which might also have the effect of attracting more contributors (C# has WAY more active open source devs than rust)) but historically political forks tend to flame out and I know I probably won't have the time to support it myself if it came down to it which is the only way to keep a political form from flaming out

That being said, the infusion of their ideology has generally been kept to a minimum in the actual code. There's certainly concerns, like how they made the modlog less useful and potential to steer people to .ml unfairly with the main Lemmy landing site. But nothing overt