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tardigrade
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tardigrade
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Here is the article by CCC (in German) Edit: China Holds a Kill Switch to European Power Grids (May 2025)
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Dogyote
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Dogyote@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-09-30 |
Is this actually a problem? Sounds like china-scary fud. |
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SlippiHUD
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Is this actually a problem? Sounds like china-scary fud.
It sounds like anyone can light your house on fire if you happened to buy this microinverter. Whether or not this is a consipiracy or shoddy workmanship. |
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erebion
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erebion@news.erebion.eu Joined: 2025-11-20 |
"The company announced a security update for mid-October." This is says it all, I doubt I will ever buy products from them. |
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resipsaloquitur
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resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe Joined: 2026-04-14 |
Does this include Pluto? |
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Dogyote
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Dogyote@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-09-30 |
It sounds like anyone can light your house on fire if you happened to buy this microinverter. Whether or not this is a consipiracy or shoddy workmanship.
I really don't think it's that easy. Nobody's going to fly a drone down the street broadcasting malware to these inverters. Still sounds like FUD to me. "Don't buy the reasonably priced solar, someone will burn your house down." |
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hexdream
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hexdream@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-24 |
Does this include Pluto?
Whole solar systems!, so yeah, Pluto too. |
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hexdream
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hexdream@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-24 |
The death star is clearly an underachiever |
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SlippiHUD
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SlippiHUD@slrpnk.netJoined: 2026-04-23 |
I really don't think it's that easy. Nobody's going to fly a drone down the street broadcasting malware to these inverters. Still sounds like FUD to me. "Don't buy the reasonably priced solar, someone will burn your house down."
The issue is can not will. One does not need a drone to do it either. The radios have a "several hundred meter range". The device communicates without encryption, and accepts updates without encryption/authorization. This applies to nearly all devices made by one company thats captured 1/5 of the market. It doesnt matter who makes it, this is unacceptable negligence. This is an immently reasonable demand |
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SlippiHUD
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All the articles on upday claim to be AI generated. It might be good to find an alternative source. |
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tardigrade
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tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org Joined: 2025-11-17 |
All the articles on upday claim to be AI generated. It might be good to find an alternative source.
I posted the original article in this thread as well as an article on the same topic, here again: Original article by CCC (in German) And: China Holds a Kill Switch to European Power Grids (May 2025)
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Dogyote
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Dogyote@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-09-30 |
The issue is can not will. One does not need a drone to do it either. The radios have a "several hundred meter range". The device communicates without encryption, and accepts updates without encryption/authorization. This applies to nearly all devices made by one company thats captured 1/5 of the market. It doesnt matter who makes it, this is unacceptable negligence. This is an immently reasona...
When you put it that way it sounds reasonable |
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keepthepace
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keepthepace@tarte.nuage-libre.fr Joined: 2025-03-25 |
Is this actually a problem? Sounds like china-scary fud.
I have been arguing that for a long time because most articles failed to provide a brand, failed to provide the detail of the attack and basically were just fear-mongering for any Chinese product. Here it is different, there is demonstrated attack by a reputable source, the CCC. So now this information I consider got upgraded from probably FUD to probably real. That's a real actual problem. China gets a kill switch on a major source of renewable energy. |
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Dogyote
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Dogyote@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-09-30 |
I have been arguing that for a long time because most articles failed to provide a brand, failed to provide the detail of the attack and basically were just fear-mongering for any Chinese product. Here it is different, there is demonstrated attack by a reputable source, the CCC. So now this information I consider got upgraded from probably FUD to probably real. That's a real actual problem. Chi...
Sounds like you're fearmongering for a chinese product. Anyone within range could exploit the vulnerability. |
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keepthepace
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keepthepace@tarte.nuage-libre.fr Joined: 2025-03-25 |
basically were just fear-mongering for any Chinese product. China gets a kill switch on a major source of renewable energy. Sounds like you're fearmongering for a chinese product. Anyone within range could exploit the vulnerability.
Did you read the text between these two lines? I thought it was just fearmongering, but it is now a demonstrated backdoor. And yes, other persons can exploit it. |
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keepthepace
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keepthepace@tarte.nuage-libre.fr Joined: 2025-03-25 |
A friend who will have to install a solar panel soon asked me to dig into that and I am horrified. This report is the tree that hides the forest as we say. Sure, this specific inverter, which by the way has a circuit that's used in many other brands, has a vulnerability that allows anyone to basically destroy the local electrical installation. But the so-called secured systems are almost all cloud-based because people want to see on their phone their consumption. And the easiest way to do that is to go through a server that's usually hosted by the manufacturer in mainland China. Many of these systems will include ways to change the firmware with the ability to do the same sort of damage that was demonstrated by the CCC. For a while I didn't like the tone of the news release warning in a vague way of bad or in Chinese products. It really sounded like FUD. But now I am realizing that the backdoor is real and public. All of these products are cloud-based, including firmware updates, which is an extremely bad idea. That's really a domain in which open hardware should be more the norm, should be pushed by states as a matter of sovereignty and national security. And my personal advice would be to not wait for the state to do its job and be careful what you buy. Maybe prefer simpler, more observable hardware that costs a bit more than something that asks you to pair your phone and to give access to a remote server to your hardware that can burn your place down. |
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Dogyote
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Dogyote@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-09-30 |
Did you read the text between these two lines? I thought it was just fearmongering, but it is now a demonstrated backdoor. And yes, other persons can exploit it.
I sure did |
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