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jaykrown
lemmy.world
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viral.vegabond
piefed.social
viral.vegabond@piefed.social Joined: 2024-06-01 |
Do they make any without telemetry/connectivity? |
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wetsoggybread
lemmy.world
wetsoggybread@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-03-21 |
Do they make any without telemetry/connectivity?
More than likely they do. All the inverters do on solar panels is isolate each panel individually. Because of how they're wired up, normally a panel getting a little bit of shade can affect multiple panels if they're wired up in sequence so with these if one panel gets some shade the others will continue working at their maximum potential. There shouldn't really be a need for telemetry |
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wetsoggybread
lemmy.world
wetsoggybread@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-03-21 |
For those that don't want to click the link herea the important part of what they are: The primary disadvantages of a microinverter include a higher initial equipment cost per peak watt than the equivalent power of a central inverter since each inverter needs to be installed adjacent to a panel (usually on a roof). This also makes them harder to maintain and more costly to remove and replace. Some manufacturers have addressed these issues with panels with built-in microinverters.[15] A microinverter often has a longer lifespan than a central inverter, which will need replacement during the lifespan of the solar panels. Therefore, the financial disadvantage at first may become an advantage in the long term. |
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jaykrown
lemmy.world
jaykrown@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-11-20 |
More than likely they do. All the inverters do on solar panels is isolate each panel individually. Because of how they're wired up, normally a panel getting a little bit of shade can affect multiple panels if they're wired up in sequence so with these if one panel gets some shade the others will continue working at their maximum potential. There shouldn't really be a need for telemetry
The biggest advantage is knowing the status of each panel, which is what makes it outweigh the additional initial cost. So yea, you could do them without telemetry, but then the question would be why not just get a string inverter at that point? |
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tyler
programming.dev
tyler@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-12 |
For those that don't want to click the link herea the important part of what they are: The main advantage is that they electrically isolate the panels from one another, so small amounts of shading, debris or snow lines on any one solar module, or even a complete module failure, do not disproportionately reduce the output of the entire array. Each microinverter harvests optimum power by performi...
Yeah micro inverters are pretty useful for the vast majority of installs. Most people don’t know that if one panel of a regular install gets shaded your entire string loses output, not just that single panel. |
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i078
europe.pub
i078@europe.pub Joined: 2026-01-13 |
For those that don't want to click the link herea the important part of what they are: The main advantage is that they electrically isolate the panels from one another, so small amounts of shading, debris or snow lines on any one solar module, or even a complete module failure, do not disproportionately reduce the output of the entire array. Each microinverter harvests optimum power by performi...
The lower wire amperage, and fire safety where my major reasons for choosing such a system. DC and high power is dangerous when compared to similar power in AC systems. I’m also one of those people that like to see what the individual panel is doing and logging the data |
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jaykrown
lemmy.world
jaykrown@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-11-20 |
The lower wire amperage, and fire safety where my major reasons for choosing such a system. DC and high power is dangerous when compared to similar power in AC systems. I’m also one of those people that like to see what the individual panel is doing and logging the data
Smart, I think a lot of people though still don't really know about this setup. I only learned about the benefits yesterday. It really pays to dig a bit deeper, especially for someone making a big decision to invest and install solar. |
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homes
piefed.world
homes@piefed.world Joined: 2025-12-28 |
For those that don't want to click the link herea the important part of what they are: The main advantage is that they electrically isolate the panels from one another, so small amounts of shading, debris or snow lines on any one solar module, or even a complete module failure, do not disproportionately reduce the output of the entire array. Each microinverter harvests optimum power by performi...
Great explanation. Thanks! |
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Creat
discuss.tchncs.de
Creat@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Do they make any without telemetry/connectivity?
Some can be controlled through a local API, but often you still need a gateway to facilitate access (it can reach out to the cloud, but it can be disabled and used local only). Some that were in very good standing (Hoymiles) recently had security flaws where the manufacturer refuses to acknowledge or fix them, leading to essentially anyone to control them at any time with a few dollars worth of equipment (source in German). They basically broadcast their own encryption key. Unfortunately the nature of getting a distributed system makes them much more vulnerable to issues like that as some form of communication is needed for everyday operation. This is much simpler with a central system. |
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tristynalxander
mander.xyz
tristynalxander@mander.xyz Joined: 2026-02-21 |
The biggest advantage is knowing the status of each panel, which is what makes it outweigh the additional initial cost. So yea, you could do them without telemetry, but then the question would be why not just get a string inverter at that point?
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Codpiece
feddit.uk
Codpiece@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-06-21 |
Do they make any without telemetry/connectivity?
There are a few where alternative firmware has been created that removes the cloud tether and gives better integration with Home Assistant. Some also have Bluetooth |
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rainwall
piefed.social
rainwall@piefed.social Joined: 2025-07-17 |
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Networked panels are useful in several ways. First is that they let you track power generation, which is useful to know what return youre getting on your investment. It also helps you understand where to add or move panels for maximum output. Second is that they can send data to batteries in order to charge them more efficiently in the case of weather events. Your controller sees a storm is coming tomarrow? Maybe it focuses on topping up batteries to 100% so you have max coverage in an outage. Third is that you can sometimes participate in virtual power plants where you automatically sell you battery capacity to the grid with thousands of others as a way to prevent fossil fuel plants spinning up during peak demand. These programs can net thousands/year in income for solar owners if your power company supports them. |
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50MYT
lemmy.world
50MYT@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-26 |
Smart, I think a lot of people though still don't really know about this setup. I only learned about the benefits yesterday. It really pays to dig a bit deeper, especially for someone making a big decision to invest and install solar.
I've had a micro inverter solar setup on my roof for a few years now. Super happy with it. Yes, the initial outlay is more expensive, but not by much. The other thing your missing is the noise. Some large inverters make noise apparently, the micro ones do not. This was one of the main draw cards that pushed me to go this way. |
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Dimand
aussie.zone
Dimand@aussie.zone Joined: 2024-03-29 |
For those that don't want to click the link herea the important part of what they are: The main advantage is that they electrically isolate the panels from one another, so small amounts of shading, debris or snow lines on any one solar module, or even a complete module failure, do not disproportionately reduce the output of the entire array. Each microinverter harvests optimum power by performi...
There are also MOSFET based bypass panels that can achieve a similar effect at a far cheaper price point. Quite common here in Aus. The high voltage DC strings are dangerous, but very price + power efficient and our install and wiring rules have made it quite safe. |
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BorgDrone
feddit.nl
BorgDrone@feddit.nl Joined: 2025-06-10 |
One disadvantage is that they are less efficient when combined with a battery than a single hybrid inverter. Converting DC to AC and then back to DC to charge your batteries causes a bigger loss compared to the DC-DC voltage conversion needed for a hybrid inverter. |
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Ghoelian
piefed.social
Ghoelian@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-19 |
Networked panels are useful in several ways. First is that they let you track power generation, which is useful to know what return youre getting on your investment. It also helps you understand where to add or move panels for maximum output. Second is that they can send data to batteries in order to charge them more efficiently in the case of weather events. Your controller sees a storm is com...
And a fourth is, if you have a dynamic energy contract, where prices can change as quick as every 5 minutes, your energy provider can stop your panels from delivering power to the grid when prices are negative. otherwise you'd pay for every watt delivered back. You can do this manually (as in diy, you can automate it with eg home assistant of course) with modbus on a lot of inverters, but idk how that works with these micro-inverters. |
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lemming741
lemmy.world
lemming741@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-05 |
The biggest advantage is knowing the status of each panel, which is what makes it outweigh the additional initial cost. So yea, you could do them without telemetry, but then the question would be why not just get a string inverter at that point?
Yeah but you can't do anything about it so what's the point? It sounds to me like they are selling pretty graphs. |
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quick_snail
feddit.nl
quick_snail@feddit.nlJoined: 2025-07-15 |
I've had a micro inverter solar setup on my roof for a few years now. Super happy with it. Yes, the initial outlay is more expensive, but not by much. The other thing your missing is the noise. Some large inverters make noise apparently, the micro ones do not. This was one of the main draw cards that pushed me to go this way.
Do you have batteries? |
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quick_snail
feddit.nl
quick_snail@feddit.nlJoined: 2025-07-15 |
And a fourth is, if you have a dynamic energy contract, where prices can change as quick as every 5 minutes, your energy provider can stop your panels from delivering power to the grid when prices are negative. otherwise you'd pay for every watt delivered back. You can do this manually (as in diy, you can automate it with eg home assistant of course) with modbus on a lot of inverters, but idk h...
Why are power companies giving away free energy? |
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Ghoelian
piefed.social
Ghoelian@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-19 |
Why are power companies giving away free energy?
That's how supply and demand works. Energy suppliers have to buy their energy from the actual sources, of which there are a few here. They buy all the watts they think they'll need based on a weather forecast the day before. If this forecast was rainy but now turns out to be super sunny, meaning lots of solar which can support the grid, there may be massive excesses of energy that now no one wants to buy. But due to the way an electricity grid works, this electricity has to go somewhere, so they sell it at a loss. That's how it works in the Netherlands, anyway. |
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ikidd
lemmy.dbzer0.com
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2026-04-23 |
They're ridiculously expensive and not very efficient compared to DC systems. |
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cynar
lemmy.world
cynar@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-17 |
Yeah but you can't do anything about it so what's the point? It sounds to me like they are selling pretty graphs.
It can alert to problems like a tree needing trimming, a dirty panel, or a panel going bad. All of which are actionable. |
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ironhydroxide
sh.itjust.works
ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-11-27 |
There are also optimizers. |
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