Ice should spread fear. Murdering people is a side effect

I've been saying something similar for years with regards to cops. People are always like "he was suspected of robbing a store and he was fleeing" or "maybe he was on drugs" or "I heard he abused his kids" and its like, okay yeah, but if the cops caught that guy and brought him before a judge, even the judge wouldn't sentence them to death by firing squad! So no matter what we feel about if there should be police, or what their role is, we should at least definitely agree that they shouldn't be able to shoot someone fleeing a petty crime or whatever.

Even the cop apologists ought to agree that if a police officer can't catch a person without damaging them beyond what a sentence would carry, then that person should go free. Better luck next time, but opening fire on a person just because you can't run fast is unfathomable.

Ought to... but they don't care. Because they already don't see the victim as human, so they actually wish the sentence was firing squad, and so they're glad the boys in blue are out there carrying out proper justice, saving a bunch of time and headaches for the courts that were too afraid to do the right thing anyway...

So... whatever I guess. Hopefully their kids will hate them and be better...

Nicely put.

It's always the same tactic: distract from the main point, try to get your opponents hung up on minor, controversial points. Try to change what the discourse is about.

Don't let them.

What if we convince the for profit prison system that cops are stealing their profits by killing people?

'killing' here is a weasel word, just say murdering. It's what you mean anyway, fuck any legal indemnification, that was always bullshit.

Where else "Show us zie papers or you vill be shot" was the norm, hmmm 🤔

Oh god no.

Enemy of my enemy is worse than the first enemy.

Two thirds of ICE would split if they had to stop killing people.

That works if the official story is the suspect was trying to flee. In all of these cases (as far as I'm aware), the suspect is "using their vehicle as a weapon" or in pretti's case, approached with a loaded weapon (this one in Maine seems more muddled tho with them initially saying he was fleeing and then changing their story like 15 times to make it seem like he was trying to hurt or kill ice agents)

Anyone who even takes a cursory glance at the existing video evidence of literally any of the cases including those who were shot and survived can see that this rhetoric is blatantly untrue and it is absolutely remarkable that these most recent cases involve zero officers with body cams for some mysterious reason. Regardless, it's important to note that it is the official position of the Gestapo ice that these victims aren't just fleeing, they are putting these disgusting piss baby agents' lives at risk.

Hah! You mad bastard! It would be fun watching they try to go after each other, but I worry they're too in-bed with each other, and would just work out a Murder Jar system. Ope, sorry, killed another one, here's $300 for your trouble, and then filling the Murder Jar just becomes a new line item on the police budget...

Immigration issues are problems with paperwork. Only a misdemeanor for not being filled out properly.

These agents do not need to be armed at all.

They're glorified auditors.

Good. It's a redundant agency.

The fact that this even needs to be said is super depressing

They're not even trying the "he was going to ram me with his car" defense this time

They should be armed at most with clipboards.

Correct. "Killing" is legal in numerous instances (and I'd argue moral and ethical in particular situations). The term "murder", by default, is never legally justified.

I think that the delineation is important because it sends the signal to naturalized citizens (many of whom voted for Trump) that there is one less degree of separation between them and ICE. First it was criminal illegal, then just illegal, now legal, only one or two more steps till the defence is "they were not white". We need voters who would be targets to be scared into voting in their own interest.

The original story was he was using his vehicle as a weapon on the officer. Then the officer said he was fleeing and thought he was a danger to the public.

Initially:

"Prior to the brief ICE statement on the incident, Maine U.S. Sen. Angus King said Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin told him the officer opened fire after the man tried to use his vehicle as a weapon against ICE agents"

Then:

"The 'vehicle attempted to flee the scene and, fearing for public safety, an officer discharged his weapon,' the department said."

Now:

"When asked about the contrasting statements, King told CNN that that’s what the investigation is all about. [He responded] 'Did this young man actually try to run over an ICE agent or was he in danger of running over other people in the street?... Was there a reasonable expectation of bodily harm or deadly force to justify this shooting?'”

https://apnews.com/article/ice-shooting-maine-immigration-dhs-f26f8c2256aa6f0748582ea4adbb515c