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Poland bans “trash streams” with prison sentences for streamers who profit from violence & humiliation
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VetOfTheSeas discuss.online VetOfTheSeas@discuss.online
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Maeve kbin.earth Maeve@kbin.earth
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So, no pictures exposing torture or genocide. Got it.

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frongt lemmy.zip frongt@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-07-31
#3 · (edited) Quote Reply

So, no pictures exposing torture or genocide. Got it.

...no. Did you see the articles about the death of that French streamer? It's about that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_stream

It's the modern version of bum fights.

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SubArcticTundra lemmy.ml SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-06-03
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I wonder what makes this such a Slav thing

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tae glas [siad/iad] slrpnk.net tae_glas@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2025-09-27
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...no. Did you see the articles about the death of that French streamer? It's about that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_stream It's the modern version of bum fights.

these are absolutely unreal. causing your girlfriend to die of hypothermia and then bringing her dead body back indoors to stream next to her corpse goes worlds beyond what i'd guessed a "trash stream" would be, holy shit 😦

yeah, i think i'm okay with this being banned 😓

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Coelacanth feddit.nu Coelacanth@feddit.nu
Joined: 2023-07-04
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...no. Did you see the articles about the death of that French streamer? It's about that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_stream It's the modern version of bum fights.

I was thinking Jackass but bum fights is probably more accurate. God humanity is bleak sometimes.

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schnurrito discuss.tchncs.de schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-24
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I wonder what makes this such a Slav thing

It isn't, the first case I thought of happened in France, it's linked in the last paragraph of the article.

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schnurrito discuss.tchncs.de schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-24
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So, no pictures exposing torture or genocide. Got it.

I don't know whether the law is written broadly enough to do that.

There are of course free speech concerns here, but if the law only targets cases where violence or other criminal activity was engaged in specifically to film it, even I don't see that this contradicts my broad understanding of free speech rights.

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Maeve kbin.earth Maeve@kbin.earth
Joined: 2024-06-16
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I don't know whether the law is written broadly enough to do that. There are of course free speech concerns here, but if the law only targets cases where violence or other criminal activity was engaged in specifically to film it, even I don't see that this contradicts my broad understanding of free speech rights.

Well at least you understood the comment.

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PromKingJosh tarte.nuage-libre.fr PromKingJosh@tarte.nuage-libre.fr
Joined: 2026-02-04
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It isn't, the first case I thought of happened in France, it's linked in the last paragraph of the article.

2023 is really late. Source from Polish Wikipedia links to 2018 article (in Polish, not a hugely credible website) https://www.eska.pl/news/patostreamy-co-to-jest-wulgarne-tresci-ponizanie-i-glupota-na-youtube-aa-9c9d-5JRV-qhZz.html

Similarly English Wikipedia points to Russia in 2010. Unless you mean first prosecutions rather than first streams

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schnurrito discuss.tchncs.de schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-24
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2023 is really late. Source from Polish Wikipedia links to 2018 article (in Polish, not a hugely credible website) https://www.eska.pl/news/patostreamy-co-to-jest-wulgarne-tresci-ponizanie-i-glupota-na-youtube-aa-9c9d-5JRV-qhZz.html Similarly English Wikipedia points to Russia in 2010. Unless you mean first prosecutions rather than first streams

I meant the first case that came to my mind, it's of course possible there were some before, I simply didn't know about them.

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Swedneck discuss.tchncs.de Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-10
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these are absolutely unreal. causing your girlfriend to die of hypothermia and then bringing her dead body back indoors to stream next to her corpse goes worlds beyond what i'd guessed a "trash stream" would be, holy shit 😦 yeah, i think i'm okay with this being banned 😓

the terms from other countries seem much better, "pathostream" (which i'd translate to "psychostream" to get the message across) or "rotstream".

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butwhyishischinabook anarchist.nexus butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus
Joined: 2026-04-24
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Only five years? If you're the fuck lighting that cat on fire in the first photo then you should literally be burned alive at a minimum.

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some_kind_of_guy lemmy.world some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-14
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Only five years? If you're the fuck lighting that cat on fire in the first photo then you should literally be burned alive at a minimum.

If you commit more than one crime at once I assume they will be dealt with accordingly.

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butwhyishischinabook anarchist.nexus butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus
Joined: 2026-04-24
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If you commit more than one crime at once I assume they will be dealt with accordingly.

My faith in any Central European justice system punishing animal cruelty is minimal.

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SmoothOperator lemmy.world SmoothOperator@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-08
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My faith in any Central European justice system punishing animal cruelty is minimal.

Why?

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HugeNerd lemmy.ca HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-06
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So the 6 o'clock news is finished.

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Seth Taylor lemmy.world SethTaylor@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-04-06
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I saw Spree (2020, Joe Keery) a while back. I didn't realize this was a trend. Absolutely horrible.

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Aatube lemmy.dbzer0.com Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-06-18
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Well at least you understood the comment.

your comment would be received a lot better if it said "Does this apply to pictures exposing torture or genocide?". you're very confidently claiming it does this thing, and so you got downvoted because it's not true.

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Kairos lemmy.today LodeMike@lemmy.today
Joined: 2023-12-26
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Only five years? If you're the fuck lighting that cat on fire in the first photo then you should literally be burned alive at a minimum.

If you make a lesser crime have a high sentence, you push people to commit the higher crime instead.

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butwhyishischinabook anarchist.nexus butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus
Joined: 2026-04-24
#21 · Quote Reply

If you make a lesser crime have a high sentence, you push people to commit the higher crime instead.

I guess we disagree that lighting living beings on fire for fun is a lesser crime 🤷‍♂️

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Kairos lemmy.today LodeMike@lemmy.today
Joined: 2023-12-26
#22 · Quote Reply

I guess we disagree that lighting living beings on fire for fun is a lesser crime 🤷‍♂️

Lesser than attempted murder, yes

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butwhyishischinabook anarchist.nexus butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus
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#23 · Quote Reply

Why?

My understanding is that in Poland cases of torturing animals to death for fun generally only amount to less than five year sentences, with even outliers being something like 7 years. I'm certainly not an expert though, if that's incorrect please do let me know.

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butwhyishischinabook anarchist.nexus butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus
Joined: 2026-04-24
#24 · Quote Reply

Lesser than attempted murder, yes

Fair enough, I wouldn't consider successfully torturing a cat to death as being less than attempting to kill someone, but if we don't agree on that point than we aren't going to come to an understanding here. I guess I fundamentally disagree with the argument that we should incentivize psycopathic murderers to torture animals to death for fun (by having inconsequential sentences for torturing an animal to death) rather than, you know, kill them because they clearly don't have any place in the world.

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Kairos lemmy.today LodeMike@lemmy.today
Joined: 2023-12-26
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Fair enough, I wouldn't consider successfully torturing a cat to death as being less than attempting to kill someone, but if we don't agree on that point than we aren't going to come to an understanding here. I guess I fundamentally disagree with the argument that we should incentivize psycopathic murderers to torture animals to death for fun (by having inconsequential sentences for torturing a...

Making a less serious crime come with a less serious punishment doesn't incentivize the crime. It deincentivizes the more serious crime.

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butwhyishischinabook anarchist.nexus butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus
Joined: 2026-04-24
#26 · Quote Reply

Making a less serious crime come with a less serious punishment doesn't incentivize the crime. It deincentivizes the more serious crime.

Right, by making it more appealing to just stick with the lesser crime

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Maeve kbin.earth Maeve@kbin.earth
Joined: 2024-06-16
#27 · Quote Reply

your comment would be received a lot better if it said "Does this apply to pictures exposing torture or genocide?". you're very confidently claiming it does this thing, and so you got downvoted because it's not true.

I realize. Even if it came across as not being able to post snuff, one would think that would be a good thing, but my stars, the level of inability to consider different possibilities or inquire says as much. So I left it. It shows that if the messenger has delivered messages not officially approved by the bandwagon before will automatically be taken in the worst return later.

And that's not even touching on bandwagon fallacy.

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Cypher aussie.zone Cypher@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-06-14
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I realize. Even if it came across as not being able to post snuff, one would think that would be a good thing, but my stars, the level of inability to consider different possibilities or inquire says as much. So I left it. It shows that if the messenger has delivered messages not officially approved by the bandwagon before will automatically be taken in the worst return later. And that's not ev...

You made shit up and got downvotes for being full of shit nothing more.

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