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floofloof
lemmy.ca
floofloof@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
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CrypticCoffee
lemmy.ml
CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-10 |
But he profits from mullvad and your purchase contributes to these policies... |
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StumblingWasabi
lemmy.today
StumblingWasabi@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-04-27 |
"Our CEO's opinion has no bearing on how we will act" |
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MasterNerd
lemmy.zip
MasterNerd@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-01 |
Idk, we seem to draw arbitrary lines for different companies. I still buy gasoline despite the horrible things the oil industry has done and is continuing to do. A VPN company providing a good anonymous service having a CEO donating to a right-wing candidate is pretty small beans by comparison |
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oneser
lemmy.zip
oneser@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-28 |
Idk, we seem to draw arbitrary lines for different companies. I still buy gasoline despite the horrible things the oil industry has done and is continuing to do. A VPN company providing a good anonymous service having a CEO donating to a right-wing candidate is pretty small beans by comparison
But it is still beans and people have the right to choose and the donation was significant. |
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katy ✨
piefed.blahaj.zone
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-06-06 |
Idk, we seem to draw arbitrary lines for different companies. I still buy gasoline despite the horrible things the oil industry has done and is continuing to do. A VPN company providing a good anonymous service having a CEO donating to a right-wing candidate is pretty small beans by comparison
a vpn costs $12; a new ev not owned by a shitty fascist costs $50,000 |
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humble_boatsman
sh.itjust.works
humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2025-01-15 |
I'll bet he's playing the long game, support party that limits expression of free ideas, more VPN users. |
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snoons
piefed.ca
snoons@piefed.ca Joined: 2026-06-20 |
Idk, we seem to draw arbitrary lines for different companies. I still buy gasoline despite the horrible things the oil industry has done and is continuing to do. A VPN company providing a good anonymous service having a CEO donating to a right-wing candidate is pretty small beans by comparison
mfw i'm an apathetic centrist asshole |
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nightwatch_admin
lemmy.world
nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-17 |
But it is still beans and people have the right to choose and the donation was significant.
Yes, it’s not a 1000$ donation in the privacy of his home (which is a questionable thing, but imho indeed not a Mullvad issue), but millions while openly flirting with nazis? No thanks. |
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Vendetta9076
sh.itjust.works
Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-08 |
a vpn costs $12; a new ev not owned by a shitty fascist costs $50,000
Yenno you probably meant to say built but owned is still true. Teslas are such nightmare cars. |
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Malyca
lemmy.zip
Malyca@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-04-13 |
"Our CEO's opinion has no bearing on how we will act"
It's not about the Nazi himself, it's about him using our money to further Nazi goals. |
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Malyca
lemmy.zip
Malyca@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-04-13 |
Yenno you probably meant to say built but owned is still true. Teslas are such nightmare cars.
They are so incredibly unsafe that I'm still baffled that they're allowed on the road at all. |
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Malyca
lemmy.zip
Malyca@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-04-13 |
But it is still beans and people have the right to choose and the donation was significant.
Exactly if I recall he supplied the bulk of their funding, that's very significant |
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sobchak
programming.dev
sobchak@programming.dev Joined: 2025-06-28 |
a vpn costs $12; a new ev not owned by a shitty fascist costs $50,000
New EVs are something like $10k more expensive than comparable ICE vehicles, so there are some Chevrolet and Nissan models for ~$30k. The divide is probably even closer for used. |
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robotmonsterplanet
lemmy.world
robotmonsterplanet@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-09-16 |
Any suggestions for a similarly priced, similar quality alternative for windows and Android? |
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floofloof
lemmy.ca
floofloof@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Any suggestions for a similarly priced, similar quality alternative for windows and Android? I tried Nord before I switched to Mulvad and it was worse, don't want to go back to that
In which ways did you find Nord worse? I found Nord faster than Mullvad and better at spoofing my location in different countries for streaming services. Proton VPN is probably the first other one that springs to mind as offering privacy comparable to Mullvad. Its CEO was criticized last year for making approving comments about some things Trump was doing in the USA, but it was mostly about opportunities to challenge big tech companies, and he claimed not to be a MAGA supporter in general. There was no evidence, as far as I know, of him donating to right-wing organizations. |
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crispbacon99
lemmy.zip
crispbacon99@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-06-01 |
Idk, we seem to draw arbitrary lines for different companies. I still buy gasoline despite the horrible things the oil industry has done and is continuing to do. A VPN company providing a good anonymous service having a CEO donating to a right-wing candidate is pretty small beans by comparison
The point of the VPN is trusting the exit node owner. People aren't going to trust when the one controlling the exit node is making large donations to a nazi party |
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StumblingWasabi
lemmy.today
StumblingWasabi@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-04-27 |
Any suggestions for a similarly priced, similar quality alternative for windows and Android? I tried Nord before I switched to Mulvad and it was worse, don't want to go back to that
I've seen airVPN thrown out before, not a huge fan of their UX though |
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rnercle
sh.itjust.works
merde@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-27 |
mfw i'm an apathetic centrist asshole
"apathetic" and "asshole" are redundant. You can just write "i'm a centrist" and we can deduce those accompanying qualities |
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Ankkuli
sh.itjust.works
Ankkuli@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-09-13 |
I've seen airVPN thrown out before, not a huge fan of their UX though
It’s also very slow to the point of being unusable. |
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Vendetta9076
sh.itjust.works
Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-08 |
They are so incredibly unsafe that I'm still baffled that they're allowed on the road at all.
I don't know much about the safety of them, just the unrepairability and the technology that makes them super dystopian. What makes them so unsafe? Besides the whole "ev batteries make fire" thing |
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Jul
piefed.blahaj.zone
irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-09-25 |
"Our CEO's opinion has no bearing on how we will act"
Yeah, but our money is going into his pocket and thus funding Nazis, so that's hardly relevant to the issue. |
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Malyca
lemmy.zip
Malyca@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-04-13 |
I don't know much about the safety of them, just the unrepairability and the technology that makes them super dystopian. What makes them so unsafe? Besides the whole "ev batteries make fire" thing
The mechanical door is hidden and it's hard to find in an emergency, you could be trapped inside. Also some of them have "bulletproof windows" which make it difficult for rescue workers to break through and save people. There was that billionaire that accidentally reversed into her pond and couldn't get out, lots of stories like that. The cybertruck is basically a steel knife on wheels, threatening to slice up whatever unfortunate pedestrian it hits. These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more. |
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_Nemo_
lemmy.ml
_Nemo_@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-06-26 |
Any suggestions for a similarly priced, similar quality alternative for windows and Android? I tried Nord before I switched to Mulvad and it was worse, don't want to go back to that
The critical part is: how many supposed "quality" alternatives have been proven not to do any logging? Mullvad has been proven to be solid. They were raided and had jolly little to hand over to authorities on their customers. How many of the other VPN services can say that about themselves? |
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Coleslaw4145
lemmy.world
Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-04-03 |
The mechanical door is hidden and it's hard to find in an emergency, you could be trapped inside. Also some of them have "bulletproof windows" which make it difficult for rescue workers to break through and save people. There was that billionaire that accidentally reversed into her pond and couldn't get out, lots of stories like that. The cybertruck is basically a steel knife on wheels, threate...
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Desyn0xox
lemmy.ml
Desyn0xox@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-08-07 |
Any suggestions for a similarly priced, similar quality alternative for windows and Android? I tried Nord before I switched to Mulvad and it was worse, don't want to go back to that
I'm trying out ivpn, and find it a viable alternative so far (comparing a Mullvad Wireguard config vs. ivpn app, on resp. Linux & Android) |
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Quaxglee
piefed.world
Quaxglee@piefed.world Joined: 2026-02-21 |
It’s also very slow to the point of being unusable.
I’ve been using airVPN for years and have never had speed issues. I will agree with the other comment on their UI/UX though, it’s straight out of the late 90’s/early 00’s. But once you’ve got it setup you don’t ever have to deal with their website. |
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Waphles
lemmy.world
Waphles@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-06 |
I run a Tailscale network on my devices and I use Mullvad exit nodes, I have found that to be an extremely frictionless setup especially running on my family’s iOS devices. What are my alternatives now, I can’t seem to find anything that is as easy/practical for my setup and for non-technical users. |
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whatiswrongwithyou
lemmy.ml
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-05-07 |
I run a Tailscale network on my devices and I use Mullvad exit nodes, I have found that to be an extremely frictionless setup especially running on my family’s iOS devices. What are my alternatives now, I can’t seem to find anything that is as easy/practical for my setup and for non-technical users.
I’m all over the other recent thread telling people there isn’t one. Especially for what you describe there isn’t one. I have used mullvad in a similar way and can’t recommend anything else for it. I can recommend the book aesthetics of resistance to help apply balm to the soul of a person who wants to switch. |
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whatiswrongwithyou
lemmy.ml
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-05-07 |
Any suggestions for a similarly priced, similar quality alternative for windows and Android? I tried Nord before I switched to Mulvad and it was worse, don't want to go back to that
There are not any. If your use case doesn’t prioritize your own safety then tell me what it is and I can help you figure something out. |
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voidchsr
lemmy.ml
voidchsr@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-07-20 |
I'll bet he's playing the long game, support party that limits expression of free ideas, more VPN users.
That made me laugh |
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warmaster
lemmy.world
warmaster@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
What a shitshow. After their blog post, anyone who didn't know, now they know. LOL. Majestic performance XD. |
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dreamkeeper
literature.cafe
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe Joined: 2025-10-28 |
In which ways did you find Nord worse? I found Nord faster than Mullvad and better at spoofing my location in different countries for streaming services. Proton VPN is probably the first other one that springs to mind as offering privacy comparable to Mullvad. Its CEO was criticized last year for making approving comments about some things Trump was doing in the USA, but it was mostly about opp...
Proton vpn is pretty good, except on Linux where the client is horrendous. The Killswitch is very unreliable there. When it fails, it sends your machine right back to the internet instead of blocking the connection completely like it's supposed to. I haven't found an alternative that works well for me in Linux other than mullvad unfortunately. And I really don't want to give them my money. I sent proton a nastygram but they don't seem to care about the Linux client at all. Also both their gui and cli apps have dependencies on Gnome, and installing gnome fucked up my remote login setup. It's insane to me that even the cli relies on gnomes keychain |
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dreamkeeper
literature.cafe
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe Joined: 2025-10-28 |
Idk, we seem to draw arbitrary lines for different companies. I still buy gasoline despite the horrible things the oil industry has done and is continuing to do. A VPN company providing a good anonymous service having a CEO donating to a right-wing candidate is pretty small beans by comparison
What non-shitty options are there for gas? None. It's not like I can refine my own, bub. At least with vpns we ostensibly have options |
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floofloof
lemmy.ca
floofloof@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Proton vpn is pretty good, except on Linux where the client is horrendous. The Killswitch is very unreliable there. When it fails, it sends your machine right back to the internet instead of blocking the connection completely like it's supposed to. I haven't found an alternative that works well for me in Linux other than mullvad unfortunately. And I really don't want to give them my money. I se...
I don't know much about these things, but if Proton uses standard protocols it ought to be possible to connect without using their own client. |
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dreamkeeper
literature.cafe
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe Joined: 2025-10-28 |
I don't know much about these things, but if Proton uses standard protocols it ought to be possible to connect without using their own client.
It can be done with wireguard but that doesn't solve the killswitch issue. I'd have to write my own script or something. |
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yestalgia
lemmy.world
yestalgia@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-05-14 |
I run a Tailscale network on my devices and I use Mullvad exit nodes, I have found that to be an extremely frictionless setup especially running on my family’s iOS devices. What are my alternatives now, I can’t seem to find anything that is as easy/practical for my setup and for non-technical users.
Same here. Just recently set this up. Bummed about the news. |
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Hanrahan
slrpnk.net
hanrahan@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-03-14 |
Any suggestions for a similarly priced, similar quality alternative for windows and Android? I tried Nord before I switched to Mulvad and it was worse, don't want to go back to that
I've found Nord to be good, ther Linux support has also picked up. I've never used Mullvad though |
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SCmSTR
lemmy.blahaj.zone
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2023-07-24 |
I'm so proud of some people |
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robotmonsterplanet
lemmy.world
robotmonsterplanet@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-09-16 |
In which ways did you find Nord worse? I found Nord faster than Mullvad and better at spoofing my location in different countries for streaming services. Proton VPN is probably the first other one that springs to mind as offering privacy comparable to Mullvad. Its CEO was criticized last year for making approving comments about some things Trump was doing in the USA, but it was mostly about opp...
The speed was the main thing for me with Nord. Very slow a lot of the time. And I didn't like the weird/scammy feeling renewal prices. I found Mulvad much smoother in general. |
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SocialistVibes01
lemmy.ml
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-04-30 |
I’m all over the other recent thread telling people there isn’t one. Especially for what you describe there isn’t one. I have used mullvad in a similar way and can’t recommend anything else for it. I can recommend the book aesthetics of resistance to help apply balm to the soul of a person who wants to switch.
"aesthetics"? Wheat and chaff, bro. If there's an alternative that doesn't empower a nazi, although a bit less convenient, it's a no-brainer switch. |
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SocialistVibes01
lemmy.ml
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-04-30 |
Idk, we seem to draw arbitrary lines for different companies. I still buy gasoline despite the horrible things the oil industry has done and is continuing to do. A VPN company providing a good anonymous service having a CEO donating to a right-wing candidate is pretty small beans by comparison
the average centrist, people |
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whatiswrongwithyou
lemmy.ml
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-05-07 |
"aesthetics"? Wheat and chaff, bro. If there's an alternative that doesn't empower a nazi, although a bit less convenient, it's a no-brainer switch.
It’s a famous historical novel about the stuff people did in europe around the time of ww2. The book is kinda big and complex but one of the things that stuck out to me is all the ways people’s different beliefs were compromised in order to accomplish different goals sometimes as imperative as survival. It’s a pretty good book. Anyway, like I said, there is not an alternative. If a person doesn’t actually need a bulletproof vpn then some other services might work if that person is careful about using them. |
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FineCoatMummy
sh.itjust.works
FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-02-17 |
Proton vpn is pretty good, except on Linux where the client is horrendous. The Killswitch is very unreliable there. When it fails, it sends your machine right back to the internet instead of blocking the connection completely like it's supposed to. I haven't found an alternative that works well for me in Linux other than mullvad unfortunately. And I really don't want to give them my money. I se...
I have a paid proton email level, which gives me (I think?) one active VPN tunnel to use. I tried it out and it works fine with the standard openvpn client on linux. I always set up my own killswitch, which is easy with ufw. You block all traffic except allow the VPN interface and IP. Bulletproof. But what I really want is wireguard! I didn't know I wanted it, til I tried it. It's a lot nicer IMO than openvpn. |
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Drunk & Root
sh.itjust.works
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2025-04-15 |
I run a Tailscale network on my devices and I use Mullvad exit nodes, I have found that to be an extremely frictionless setup especially running on my family’s iOS devices. What are my alternatives now, I can’t seem to find anything that is as easy/practical for my setup and for non-technical users.
I moved to ivpn you could check that out |
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dreamkeeper
literature.cafe
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe Joined: 2025-10-28 |
Proton vpn is pretty good, except on Linux where the client is horrendous. The Killswitch is very unreliable there. When it fails, it sends your machine right back to the internet instead of blocking the connection completely like it’s supposed to. I have a paid proton email level, which gives me (I think?) one active VPN tunnel to use. I tried it out and it works fine with the standard openvpn...
Hmm, maybe I can try the ufw approach then. Wish I knew about that before I installed gnome. Thanks for the tip. |
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FineCoatMummy
sh.itjust.works
FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-02-17 |
Hmm, maybe I can try the ufw approach then. Wish I knew about that before I installed gnome. Thanks for the tip.
YW! Here's what mine looks like, but I'm redacting the tunnel IPs and port numbers. You might have to add an allow for DNS in there depending on your VPN,
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