It's probably the #1 reason I'm not a fan of trying to convince Microsoft users to come over to Linux.. I'd rather we NOT have to dumb down what is essentially an almost perfect OS for a bunch of fuckwits who can't figure it out...

People who use the word “fanboy” care way more than the other side, it’s like android saying it to Apple users

Use your trash while the rest of us enjoy a stable product

Stable? Are you really talking about Windows where every update is a gamble (and increasingly so)?

I use macOS, but yes windows is more stable than desktop Linux overall

I use Linux every day but it’s not useable on the desktop and nobody who knows anything about computers thinks otherwise

Is this rage bait?

If you want to take it as that, and are unwilling to take advice from people with actual experience

"not usable on the desktop" me: who's been using linux completely without issue after setup for daily work and complex shit for over a year

Yes

Ah, thank you for confirming it.

I must say, im impressed by windows 11 haveing an update that fucked with the gui shutdown and then next up one that just straight up made it unable to boot

"How do I get Linux.exe?"

I work in IT, and i think otherwise.

It's always funny when someone goes "It's so hard to install", like bro, you just press "next, next next, enter your name, finish". Can't get easier than that.

Ragebait used to be believable 🫩

I have a windows 11 machine and i was "mmh, yeah microsoft sucks with update but it has been a while since i updated it...should i?" but now i fear to click that damn button

Windows is easier to install because the user didn't install it.

Someone woke up and chose violence this morning.

And Windows 10 Pro has more steps than Linux Mint. The argument has been moot for a while, but some folk need a little encouragement to unlearn what's been parroted for decades.

You have no experience. I need a computer to get paid. No way am I using windows. Linux on the desktop is rock solid and the most productive environment available.

I manage microsoft crap for a living and tolerate the occasional Mac (what a mess its become), and I would never rely on a Microsoft product.

If you had any experience at all being on a call or in person with microsofts server, desktop, or azure teams you would know damn well that even they know its mess with contradicting advice and rules and fixes for their shit.

Yeah, already installed vs. may require some tweaks to get all of your hardware working, is a big one, especially with laptops since there's so much proprietary junk in many of them.

Yeah but there is a partition manager 😱

Assuming the graphics drivers baked into the installer work in the first go - ask me how my weekend went.

Is it easier to install though?

Stable... haha

Yeah 40 years working on computers and the last stable windows OS was XP.

I have actual experience and you are completely full of shit.

I'm a sysadmin. I professionally support about 30 Windows users plus a couple hundred classroom computers, and personally my family's PCs. And you are full of shit.

Starting December of last year, every time Microsoft released a cumulative update, I'd get an influx of OS-related issues, including:

• Microsoft Store breaking installed applications
• Broken HDMI, audio, and wireless device drivers, one of which was only fixed after a wipe and reinstall
• Bitlocker failures that couldn't be decrypted with the key from the user's Microsoft account
• Two occurences of a wiped EFI partition
• One occurence of a completely broken installation
• One occurence of a corrupted motherboard firmware

You can call Linux an unstable experience (though referring to "Linux" as a blanket term is nebulous and reductive to the point of irrelevance), but in the real world with real users, Windows is absolutely not a stable operating system, and far more difficult to diagnose and fix.

(edit) I almost forgot! We also had to push back an upgrade of the wifi infrastructure by a year because WPA3-Enterprise support on Windows was either broken or nonexistent on about a quarter of the computers. It was a fucking farce.

Ah yes, the single OS known as “Linux”

I’m no irl proselytizer but if someone wants to switch their desktop experience (to Linux, Mac, etc.) I won’t actively discourage them lolol

Oh God Linux and drivers man

Been saying this for years. Any time the masses get involved with something good, it goes to absolute shit. Not everything has to be for everyone.

This is why I swapped my RTX 4070 with my brother for his 7700 XT. He offered me some money on top of it. I told him happy birthday because it matters more to me that it just fucking works instead of requiring a blood sacrifice every six weeks to not boot into a void.

Or, as Linus put it, fuck you NVIDIA.

Edit: No problems at all since I swapped the 7700 into my machine, by the way. Getting GPU drivers on my brother's Win 11 machine was a whole task by itself. Even on Windows, getting NVIDIA drivers to work isn't a painless experience.

Well my friend, we're in the minority it seems. Everyone else suffers from choice supported bias. (The need to convince others to make the same choice they did to validate their choice in their mind.)

Except for one big thing. Most consumers buy a computer, and windows is already installed. Nothing to install, just an account to set up.

No one really knows. Only a few brave souls have tried, all of whom succumbed to madness shortly thereafter.

desktop environments already exist, we don't have to give up anything to let them keep existing

Nvidia, not drivers in general. Unless you run Debian and have new gadgets i guess

Twice have I helped my friends install linux. Twice have they had bogus usb drives that didn't store the distro properly. (One of them was a 2 cent 2tb drive, the other one was a pendrive he "found on the ground in the street")

I’m an engineer, I know more than you

People get confused if their icons change color, man.

If the icon is not in the same place as before, god help them.

Ey, EY! Do you know how long it took me figure out what a "mount point" is? In that same time, i could have already gone through, like, 20% of the ads of the win-installer!

In all fairness, not needing to install an OS is easier.

What do you mean "install it?" You install programs ONTO windows. Windows is already installed. It's literally how you buy the computer. Have you ever even used a computer?

Dude, you reinstall windows every1.5-2 years as by that point it has fucked itself into oblivion.

I bet there's a strong correlation, at least among we olds, between the number of times one has installed Windows and the likelihood that they are now a Linux user.

That's how we know that Linux is easier to install these days, for one.

TBF Windows is pretty simple to install. Tracking and other bullshit aside.

It's impossible to install second in a dual boot system and its drive selection interface is quite confusing if you're not careful.

It's a huge step in the right direction when a seller offers Linux preinstalled. Maybe the EU regulators can go after Microsoft, citing "anticompetitive actions", for ensuring every manufacturer include Windows OS. That'll open the gate for forcing options for the consumer

found on the ground in the street

Well, where else are you gonna find a wild pendrive?

I could see it. I wonder if it also depends WHICH windows variants you've installed and how many times. I, for one, have installed windows 98 probably high hundreds of times.

Oh you were referring to linux? You didn't specify in your comment. I thought you meant windows.