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misk
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frongt
lemmy.zip
frongt@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-31 |
Yeah that's something that should have been tested for prior to actually starting the therapy. |
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skhayfa
lemmy.world
skhayfa@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-08 |
Blinded by fame and greediness |
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DougPiranha42
lemmy.world
DougPiranha42@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-20 |
she died of a severe immune reaction linked to the therapy Yeah that's something that should have been tested for prior to actually starting the therapy.
How? I mean the way every drug for example is tested for safety, they give it to people (healthy volunteers) in escalating doses, and watch them for adverse effects. Edit: this was a personalized experimental treatment developed specifically for this girl, on the parents’ initiative. The clinical team did test for antibodies against the virus before injecting the AAV into the csf. Lots of shady and wrong things on the research side, I’m not protecting them, just disagreeing with the previous comment that this tragedy would have been prevented by a simple test. |
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frongt
lemmy.zip
frongt@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-31 |
How? I mean the way every drug for example is tested for safety, they give it to people (healthy volunteers) in escalating doses, and watch them for adverse effects. Rarely, it happens that a drug that was expected to be safe based on animal testing turns out to be dangerous in humans, and healthy volunteers die. It’s a tragedy, it happens rarely, but it happens, and safety trials are still the...
A virus that doesn't actually do anything is how. Or a test injection that doesn't have any virus at all, if the reaction was to something else in it. |
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DougPiranha42
lemmy.world
DougPiranha42@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-20 |
A virus that doesn't actually do anything is how. Or a test injection that doesn't have any virus at all, if the reaction was to something else in it.
Neither of those things is what the patient received. Do you mean they should test the vector without the payload on the patient? If the adverse reaction is to the vector, the patient would then experience the negative effects without a chance of getting any benefits. So why not give the real thing then? |
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frongt
lemmy.zip
frongt@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-31 |
Neither of those things is what the patient received. Do you mean they should test the vector without the payload on the patient? If the adverse reaction is to the vector, the patient would then experience the negative effects without a chance of getting any benefits. So why not give the real thing then? If you mean a control vector should be tested on healthy volunteers, idk, maybe, but it’s h...
Yeah but she wouldn't be fucking dead. |
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DougPiranha42
lemmy.world
DougPiranha42@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-20 |
If the adverse reaction is to the vector, the patient would then experience the negative effects without a chance of getting any benefits. Yeah but she wouldn't be fucking dead.
Wtf. If she died from the dna editing, doing the test you mention wouldn’t have prevented it. If she died from the formulation, she would have died from the test you talk about. I don’t see a scenario where a test with a control virus makes a difference. |
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frongt
lemmy.zip
frongt@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-31 |
Wtf. If she died from the dna editing, doing the test you mention wouldn’t have prevented it. If she died from the formulation, she would have died from the test you talk about. I don’t see a scenario where a test with a control virus makes a difference.
An allergy test uses small amounts to test for a reaction. |
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DougPiranha42
lemmy.world
DougPiranha42@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-20 |
An allergy test uses small amounts to test for a reaction.
She died in kidney failure and thrombotic microangiopathy, not an allergic reaction. They did test for antibodies against the virus. The injection was directly into the cerebrospinal fluid, not exactly the same exposure you get with a skin allergy test. |
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ColeSloth
discuss.tchncs.de
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-08-18 |
A virus that doesn't actually do anything is how. Or a test injection that doesn't have any virus at all, if the reaction was to something else in it.
It has to be the exact virus or it's irrelevant, and it kind of can't be done. The virus has to get to the brain and spread around and "infect" cells in order to edit the DNA. It's why it had trillions of the virus. It needs a slow and unprepared immune response so it can do the editing. If they did a small dose test, you just vaccinated her against the virus. Her immune system would more quickly go after and destroy the virus. They expected her to get sick. They didn't expect it to get that bad. She needed more powerful immunosuppressants beforehand. |
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dbtng
sh.itjust.works
dbtng@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-07-11 |
This is sad, but its going to happen quite a few more times before they really understand large scale gene editing. And even after they do understand it better, probably some percentage of the time its gonna go wrong. |
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spectrums_coherence
piefed.social
spectrums_coherence@piefed.social Joined: 2026-02-15 |
she died of a severe immune reaction linked to the therapy Yeah that's something that should have been tested for prior to actually starting the therapy.
Turns out they did on both mice and primates, and the side effect is also evaluated:
However, the ethics board did not review the safety report:
Even worse, the brain development data from the primate study is entirely unconvincing:
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spectrums_coherence
piefed.social
spectrums_coherence@piefed.social Joined: 2026-02-15 |
Oh man... |
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Fourth
mander.xyz
Fourth@mander.xyzJoined: 2023-06-15 |
Holy shit |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
Turns out they did on both mice and primates, and the side effect is also evaluated: Another potential concern, however, emerged about 1 month before Mei was treated: the final conclusions of a primate toxicology study conducted at PriMed. The company’s report, dated 17 February 2025, concluded all four monkeys that received the therapy, whether at low or high doses, developed moderate to sever...
So im reading through and sorta rolling my eyes at the idea of gambling on this disease with ones life but wow. Thats some negligence. |
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spectrums_coherence
piefed.social
spectrums_coherence@piefed.social Joined: 2026-02-15 |
So im reading through and sorta rolling my eyes at the idea of gambling on this disease with ones life but wow. Thats some negligence.
Even worse, I have a feeling that this is most likely gambling on fame, money, and a nature paper, instead of solving a disease. |
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