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Is forth THE language of permacomputing?
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Cassette_Punk_2045 slrpnk.net Cassette_Punk_2045@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2025-12-03
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I’m new to the community and a relatively new programmer, as well. I’m very comfortable with C and the command line. But, do I need to start studying Forth to really contribute?

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Krusty quokk.au Krusty@quokk.au
Joined: 2026-05-03
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Forget forth. You need to learn iptscrae! Script the stack!

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cerement slrpnk.net cerement@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-06-10
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Collapse OS – Why Forth? – but I think most of the concatenative languages would be just as flexible, like Factor or Uxn

I would think C would work as long as you restrict it to a minimal base set: c89 -Wall -Werror -Wpedantic – or be brave and use -nostdlib – but keep in mind, C was a mainframe language, it only later got adopted for microcomputers and then microcontrollers

but aside from those, you are looking for a language that:

  • doesn’t require a lot of resources (power, memory, or storage)
  • can be bootstrapped relatively easily: sectorForth, milliForth, sectorLisp, uLisp, Uxn
  • has enough existing code (and community) to learn from (and isn’t some grad project that was abandoned after post-graduation)
  • but also doesn’t have so much code that it’s now synonymous with lake-burning scrapers fouling the waters
  • can run in constrained environments: commodity microcontrollers, 8-bit processors
  • can be compiled in those same constrained environments (being able to bootstrap it rather than needing a server farm to cross compile it)
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fafff lemmy.ml fafff@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2021-03-20
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I like Forth, but let us be honest, building stuff that last, that is efficient, that will not bitrot, that is built like a tank — you can do it with most of langauges!

Some projects (most popular one is CollapseOS) had reasons to pick Forth, but there are people with similar ethos who picked up C (check this game).

Welcome!

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Salvagepunk slrpnk.net salvagepunk@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2026-07-25
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Collapse OS – Why Forth? – but I think most of the concatenative languages would be just as flexible, like Factor or Uxn I would think C would work as long as you restrict it to a minimal base set: c89 -Wall -Werror -Wpedantic – or be brave and use -nostdlib – but keep in mind, C was a mainframe language, it only later got adopted for microcomputers and then microcontrollers but aside from thos...

I'm new to the permacomputing concept, and just now hearing of Collapse OS. So thank you!

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