we could also be suggesting PieFed

What’s the difference between PieFed and Lemmy?

I’ve been tryna understand this for months

it's kinda like the difference between Gmail and Yahoo Mail, or the difference between Chrome and Firefox

they both communicate with each other but they're different pieces of software made by different people

https://join.piefed.social/features/

Not a whole lot. Piefed has better cross post support which is nice. But it also has voting limits which is not.

But it also has voting limits which is not.

it's configurable by the admins, here on retrofed we have that disabled

So it’s how the data is viewed but still same folks populating it?

Is it an alternative to Voyager (which how I’ve been interfacing Lemmy)?

So it’s how the data is viewed but still same folks populating it?

yes

Voyager works on PieFed too actually

https://join.piefed.social/docs/piefed-mobile/

https://piefed.social/community/fediverse/wiki/piefed-app

Okay so what’s the benefit of using both?

Is PieFed superior to Lemmy?

there isn't really a benefit to using both, just pick whichever one you prefer and use that

https://join.piefed.social/features/

Piefed and Lemmy both intermix and talk to each other. What matters more is on the backend for mods and hosting communities. The big draw is Piefed has more features that help make moderation easier.

One thing on the user side that I like is how comments are handled. Since crossposting is common, Piefed allows you to see all comments from all crossposts as one thread so you don’t have to hop to the other post to see what’s being said. This is helpful if an article for example is posted to news communities on different instances.

The interaction limitation tho, I think that’s a bad call, even if it’s got an option to disable.

I sent them a modmail

Piefed limits how many things you can upvote :/

Voyager is a Lemmy/PieFed frontend. Kind of like how if you have a Gmail account, you can check your email using the official Gmail app or with any alternative email app like Thunderbird, K-Mail, Fairmail, the iOS Mail app, etc. if you want. Those apps are all just front ends for accessing your email account. Similarly, you can access Lemmy/PieFed via frontend apps like Voyager, Thunder, Blorp, etc.

Note that while many apps support both Lemmy/PieFed, some apps only support one or the other. For example, Jerboa is just a Lemmy app and does not support PieFed in any way.

Ah, ok. I've been getting a mysterious "limit reached" error message when using my piefed account with Thunder. I wasn't sure if that voting limit is the reason. I've had to switch to my lemmy account for a while.

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IMO the greatest strength of piefed is the built in on-boarding to kick start your subscriptions to not feel so empty (since you don't have any communities subscribed yet or you joined a smaller instance) or too overwhelming (since you joined a big instance and browse All). I signed on piefed.social a year ago and that is what made me stay over the last 2 attempts. A solid foundation to replace the algorithm in reddit. The crosspost support and collecting comments from same posts in different comms is the brick walls and cement for that foundation.

And when the vote quota shit happened, I jumped to .zip because they practically disabled it (IIRC it cannot be turned off, but zip admin just make it impossibly high. It might have changed by now idk (regarding can't be turned off))

and from some mentions I've seen occasionally piefed also has better mod tools. don't quote me on that, can't really vouch.

I jumped to another piefed instance that doesn't have that shit. A shame about the comms held hostage in .social though.

IIRC the implementation also effects how users receive votes for posts and comments, not just the users giving it

Good to know some instances don't have it but the philosophy behind the decision turns me off the project as whole.

Same story as always on reddit. Any woke sub that gets big enough comes intense attack by conservative trolls. Reddit corporate start acting like bastard cops with trumped up charges.

The only thing I wonder is how much of it is users and how much of it is spez, Thiel, or who ever else in reddit corporate. Probably about 50/50, I think.

Still, it sets bad precedent. Call me paranoid but the Tesseract debacle has tainted my trust.

It's newer and new features materialize faster. Also the dev(s) are not tankies. But they also added an (optional) feature where upvotes are limited due to excessive influence of most active users? IMO this space is still too small for that to matter. If I want to spread positivity and reinforcement on contributors why should I be capped?

at least it wasn't a hidden change lol, Rimu announced it openly, I don't think it's comparable to what Tesseract did

Yes, I don't mean to be dramatic. I'm just extra cautious now.

Is PieFed superior to Lemmy?

no similar, some difference in the minutiae. Mostly its about Lemmy Devs not being liked by some folks, hence piefed.

I have a piefed account, same name, as a backup when The Lemmy server I use shits the bed (once a year or so)

Shoutout to the Summit app for adding better crosspost viewing to Lemmy.

Example:

I especially appreciate how it easily displays the number of comments for each matching submission.