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dumnezero
piefed.social
dumnezero@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-11-27 |
Alexandra Fasulo says she’s protecting farms and wildlife. Her campaign is becoming a blueprint for the fossil fuel right. |
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dumnezero
piefed.social
dumnezero@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-11-27 |
if only the atmospheric carbon would go underground as easily as my hope in humanity. |
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givesomefucks
lemmy.world
givesomefucks@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
Her issue seems to be solar shouldn't disrupt nature, which is true. We need to be installing it over carparks, buildings, and maybe even roads. The problem is we're still letting private corporations plan the rollout, and they're gonna go for where it's cheapest, which is undeveloped land. |
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nforminvasion
lemmy.world
nforminvasion@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-12-11 |
Her issue seems to be solar shouldn't disrupt nature, which is true. We need to be installing it over carparks, buildings, and maybe even roads. The problem is we're still letting private corporations plan the rollout, and they're gonna go for where it's cheapest, which is undeveloped land.
You're arguing in good faith. Which, good, don't let them take that earnest attitude. But she is not. She is getting paid to spread disinformation. Whatever actual misconceptions were there to begin, are probably now tied with deception and inseparable. Getting paid to lie makes it really easy to lie to yourself too. |
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Wrufieotnak
feddit.org
Wrufieotnak@feddit.org Joined: 2024-08-05 |
Her issue seems to be solar shouldn't disrupt nature, which is true. We need to be installing it over carparks, buildings, and maybe even roads. The problem is we're still letting private corporations plan the rollout, and they're gonna go for where it's cheapest, which is undeveloped land.
Farm land is not nature. An otherwise undisturbed meadow below solar panels is more biodiversity and better for nature than the monoculture with pesticides that were there before. If the solar panels are build on truly undeveloped land, than OK, that should not happen, I agree. |
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givesomefucks
lemmy.world
givesomefucks@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
Farm land is not nature. An otherwise undisturbed meadow below solar panels is more biodiversity and better for nature than the monoculture with pesticides that were there before. If the solar panels are build on truly undeveloped land, than OK, that should not happen, I agree.
Did you reply to the wrong comment? Or did you have a dream last night that I said something stupid and now you're mad at me? |
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Wrufieotnak
feddit.org
Wrufieotnak@feddit.org Joined: 2024-08-05 |
Farm land is not nature Did you reply to the wrong comment? Or did you have a dream last night that I said something stupid and now you're mad at me?
No, I was just replying to what I'm seeing mostly in my surrounding: solar farms being built on what was farm land before. As I said, if it was truly nature before, then I agree with you. |
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tmyakal
infosec.pub
tmyakal@infosec.pub Joined: 2025-06-04 |
You're arguing in good faith. Which, good, don't let them take that earnest attitude. But she is not. She is getting paid to spread disinformation. Whatever actual misconceptions were there to begin, are probably now tied with deception and inseparable. Getting paid to lie makes it really easy to lie to yourself too.
No reason to assume she's getting paid. Plenty of people are just ignorant and angry. There's a coalition of Upstate NY farmers screeching like banshees about how NY agriculture is being sold up the river to support valueless clean energy initiatives. They're all over the local news and town halls and city councils. Never mind that only about 0.3% of NY's arable farmland has been converted to solar, or that moving to clean energy is essential to curb climate change that is literally right now, this week, flooding NY farms and destroying crop yields. Classic Hanlon's razor stuff. |
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nforminvasion
lemmy.world
nforminvasion@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-12-11 |
No reason to assume she's getting paid. Plenty of people are just ignorant and angry. There's a coalition of Upstate NY farmers screeching like banshees about how NY agriculture is being sold up the river to support valueless clean energy initiatives. They're all over the local news and town halls and city councils. Never mind that only about 0.3% of NY's arable farmland has been converted to s...
Thanks for pointing this out. It is worth noting that many of these farmers also have a material and financial interest in continuing fossil fuel dependency, as many of their corn crops go to biofuel in ethanol. |
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supersquirrel
Moderator
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
No reason to assume she's getting paid. Plenty of people are just ignorant and angry. There's a coalition of Upstate NY farmers screeching like banshees about how NY agriculture is being sold up the river to support valueless clean energy initiatives. They're all over the local news and town halls and city councils. Never mind that only about 0.3% of NY's arable farmland has been converted to s...
In the individual I agree, but when it becomes an obvious astroturf process juiced up by rightwing nutjobs who own the platforms than that is different, hence why I put my effort in here and not those places. |
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supersquirrel
Moderator
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Her issue seems to be solar shouldn't disrupt nature, which is true. We need to be installing it over carparks, buildings, and maybe even roads. The problem is we're still letting private corporations plan the rollout, and they're gonna go for where it's cheapest, which is undeveloped land.
Relevant open access research on this https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306261926006604
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666683926000787 also relevant https://www.pv-magazine.com/2026/05/18/spain-france-set-benchmark-in-renewables-expansion-without-biodiversity-loss/ |
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Lor
leminal.space
Lor@leminal.spaceJoined: 2026-01-15 |
The real problem with solar rn (esp in USA) is the fact they are building solar farms not for Net Zero, but to fuel AI Data Centers. The tech bros are accelerating our demise. |
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dumnezero
piefed.social
dumnezero@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-11-27 |
The real problem with solar rn (esp in USA) is the fact they are building solar farms not for Net Zero, but to fuel AI Data Centers. The tech bros are accelerating our demise.
When the AI bubble bursts, the solar farms will be useful for better things. |
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