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Scientists have successfully generated electricity with a hydrogen turbine that produces its own pressure through detonation waves instead of relying on a mechanical compressor. The breakthrough could unlock dramatically more efficient power systems for clean energy and future aviation.

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Brokkr lemmy.world Brokkr@lemmy.world
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There probably is some novel idea here, but the headline and description could also apply to regular gas engines...

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HubertManne piefed.social HubertManne@piefed.social
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so its an ice engine configured for hydrogen?

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Hypx Moderator Hypx@piefed.social
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There probably is some novel idea here, but the headline and description could also apply to regular gas engines...

It's referring to a detonation wave engine that does not require a compression stage.

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Hypx Moderator Hypx@piefed.social
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so its an ice engine configured for hydrogen?

No. IC engines require compression. This does not.

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Brokkr lemmy.world Brokkr@lemmy.world
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It's referring to a detonation wave engine that does not require a compression stage.

The article isn't very clear about how compression in this engine is achieved, but it's clear that compression is still required.

How is this different?

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Hypx Moderator Hypx@piefed.social
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The article isn't very clear about how compression in this engine is achieved, but it's clear that compression is still required. How is this different?

In a detonation wave, the exhaust gases reaches a very high pressure almost immediately, and you use this effect to drive a turbine. This eliminates the need for a compression stage.

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Brokkr lemmy.world Brokkr@lemmy.world
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In a detonation wave, the exhaust gases reaches a very high pressure almost immediately, and you use this effect to drive a turbine. This eliminates the need for a compression stage.

Thank you, but that explanation is causing more confusion because it is at odds with the article. The article states that compression is required before ignition. Is that true?

If not, then in the detonation engine, is the fuel mixture already at explosive concentrations upon mixing?

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Hypx Moderator Hypx@piefed.social
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Thank you, but that explanation is causing more confusion because it is at odds with the article. The article states that compression is required before ignition. Is that true? If not, then in the detonation engine, is the fuel mixture already at explosive concentrations upon mixing?

You need to read the article more carefully. It is expilicitly pointing out that only conventional gas turbines need compression. A detonation wave engine does not.

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Brokkr lemmy.world Brokkr@lemmy.world
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You need to read the article more carefully. It is expilicitly pointing out that only conventional gas turbines need compression. A detonation wave engine does not.

The KIT system creates the required pressure inside the combustion chamber instead.

I'm specifically referring to that line.

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Hypx Moderator Hypx@piefed.social
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The KIT system creates the required pressure inside the combustion chamber instead. I'm specifically referring to that line.

Please read that sentence more carefully. It is not saying what you think it is saying. The detonation wave generates pressure without compression.

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Brokkr lemmy.world Brokkr@lemmy.world
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Please read that sentence more carefully. It is not saying what you think it is saying. The detonation wave generates pressure without compression.

I could be very pedantic here, but I'm actually trying to understand how this is different from a traditional engine.

In that sentence, what does the "required pressure" refer to? Presumably an elevated pressure is required, instead of a negative pressure? For what purpose? How is that pressure achieved? Is the pressure changed by a change in volume? Temp? Once the pressure has changed, does the gas do work on something?

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Hypx Moderator Hypx@piefed.social
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I could be very pedantic here, but I'm actually trying to understand how this is different from a traditional engine. In that sentence, what does the "required pressure" refer to? Presumably an elevated pressure is required, instead of a negative pressure? For what purpose? How is that pressure achieved? Is the pressure changed by a change in volume? Temp? Once the pressure has changed, does th...

The pressure increase is achieved via detonation. This happens without a compression stage. It then pushes on a turbine generating electricity.

It is clearly described in the article. Like I said, you need to read it more carefully.

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Brokkr lemmy.world Brokkr@lemmy.world
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The pressure increase is achieved via detonation. This happens without a compression stage. It then pushes on a turbine generating electricity. It is clearly described in the article. Like I said, you need to read it more carefully.

You keep saying that, but it seems that you're only able to make sense of the article because you have some prior knowledge. I was hoping you would share that knowledge, but it seems you have no interest in doing so. What was the point of sharing the article then?

Since you seem to want to be reductive, it appears that this detonation engine is nothing more than a regular combustion engine with a fuel mix that is more reactive. That's great and cool, but it still isn't clear why this is any significant innovation.

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Hypx Moderator Hypx@piefed.social
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You keep saying that, but it seems that you're only able to make sense of the article because you have some prior knowledge. I was hoping you would share that knowledge, but it seems you have no interest in doing so. What was the point of sharing the article then? Since you seem to want to be reductive, it appears that this detonation engine is nothing more than a regular combustion engine with...

It is a combustion engine, just minus the compression stage. If you actually read the entire article (which at this point, I suspect you have not), it is potentially more efficient than a regular combustion engine. That is the entire point of the thing.

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