They are usually being rejected or humiliated multiple times because of being short

Or maybe that's just what they blame the rejection on.

We can be our own worst critics. Others don't necessarily see the same "flaws" that we might see in ourselves.

Sure thing boss. Keep being an ass and next time* I'll bring citations.

*Missed a word.

5'7" is the average male height in the US btw, so it's not like 5'6" is manlet territory. For whatever reason we have decided as a society that average male height is around 6 foot despite only 14.5% of American men being 6ft or taller.

that is some next level type of uncritical thinking about your exact phrase its laughable, i assume you are actually more intelligent than a cockroach and you know very well you are espousing misogynistic views.

'Hello, fellow girl here'

... really?

really?

I mean... i can imagine this actually happening, but also, i would burst out laughing.

There's certainly something there in not wasting time and energy hating [insert negative descriptor] people, but I think actively hate and passively have a hugely negative opinion on are different things.

It's so much nicer not having to work out logistics to smooch

I half agree with you, but I still take my wife out on dates. We're having our last summer coffee brunch tomorrow before the school year really starts.

"On the internet, bald people have hairs"

Enjoy your coffee brunch! Me going on against dates was more connected to the unavoidability of this concept in the minds of some people. It takes such a big important place in their life, success with dating becomes so important, that they forget to be a person first of all. So my comment was meant to question this reality rather than go full Taliban against brunch and lunch dates. I did a lunch date yesterday - because mornings are for outdoor work!

Toxic masculinity existed long before it got a name.

If they got rejected many times before specifically because they are short, they should update their choice in women instead of blaming all of them.

Don't make up details about another's experiences in order to dismiss them. It's childish.

They aren't being dismissive. If you have been rejected many times before for being short, it is still inaccurate to blame all women for it and assume all women will react the same way.

It's the same the other way around. If a tall woman is rejected often by men because of her height, it is still sexist to assert that all men hate tall women.

I'm 5.5 and seem to have no problem at all, healthy diet, active lifestyle, and a decent personality goes along way. Proof of this is my 5.5 uncle, smoker, bigot, incel and generally not a likeable person, and he believes he's owed a relationship and equally has never really had one.

That's the childish part: You're reading in a completely made-up "blaming all women" part.

Or, they got rejected and humiliated many times years before the big, bad manosphere was even a thing, and even before they knew that they were considered short. Maybe some men overstate it, but it is a major issue in some parts of the world.

(It’s cultural, so if it’s not an issue where you are, that doesn’t make it not an issue.)

Toxic masculinity existed long before it got a name.

If they got rejected many times before specifically because they are short, they should update their choice in women instead of blaming all of them.

I still don't think they were being dismissive by pointing out that short men should seek out women that don't care about their height instead of getting resentful.

man, I had a coworker who was all of 5'3", a smoker, nerd (love me nerds), kinda annoying (to me) never worked out outside of our physically demanding job, and with an actual medically diagnosed BO problem he needed special deodorant for. He had a loving girlfriend for all the years I knew him. She was thin like he was, and they were like peas in a pod and spent thier time off gaming together. He was Kind, and helpful, same as she was.

There is a lid for every pot

A person who thinks they are entitled to a relationship will struggle hard to get one. No one is entitled to this.

Y'all need to get your affairs in order over in the US so I can move over there because at 5'10" I'm well below average in my country.

CDC data does show the average for males being 5'9" in the US though. 5'7" is the average globally. Over here the average is 6' because I lucked into being a short king in the third tallest country in the world apparently.

Incels are dumb as fuck.

I've seen 180 cm listed as the minimum on a bunch of Tinder profiles, but I've never swiped right on any of them to find out if they're serious. It's a bit below 6', 6' flat is about the average male height but we use the metric system so easier to just write 180 cm rather than 183 or whatever.

It's also usually been short women for some reason. Seen plenty of 180+ cm tall women on Tinder too and none have had a minimum height requirement listed.

Do note that when I say "a bunch", I don't mean a super high percentage, because I've spent enough years on Tinder to have seen thousands of people here in a country of ~1.3 million and the ones who had a minimum height requirement would be in the two or three digit count.

Usually it's like "pls be over 180 cm", "swipe left if you're a boy under 180 cm" (with the diminutive form of 'boy' used) or something like that.

That still leaves like 99% of women not putting that in their bio, but if you have low self-esteem and get few matches, you just notice all the ones that do and think "hmm maybe the others just don't say it out loud".

When I was dating in my 20's, I wanted someone taller. I thought it reasonable because im 5 foot.. and chubby. Skinny short guys made me feel like I was a monster cuddling with them, and I felt fatter than I was. That was it. I still dated a few short skinny guys. Sometimes people just say things.

As a black man, I can tell you the OP is a real girl.

Its funny how there is literally a trope/meme for this whole "fake announcement of what I am" thing.

Fairly sure it's sarcasm.

"Who's up for some gaslighting tonight!"

That still leaves like 99% of women not putting that in their bio, but if you have low self-esteem and get few matches, you just notice all the ones that do and think “hmm maybe the others just don’t say it out loud”.

And that's exactly how the manosphere red-pilled ideologies take hold. They deliberately target vulnerable young men that are finding their footing in the world and telling them it's all women's fault for their woes.

Quarter siblings, but yes.

Iceland?

Estonia

Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

To me it's abundantly clear that NoScarcity was being sarcastic and not actually trying to appear as a woman.

What's the joke?

I have a a friend so similar to this I'd wonder if it was the same guy, except my buddy is on the chubbier side. He has the loveliest women in his life just by being kind and a great listener.

As a black man, I can tell you the OP is a real girl.

... oh my fucking god, this sentence.... uggghhhhhhh hahaha.... ow.... my brain....

By saying their nutsack is showing? Both users in this picture are bad. It's all bad. I hate that people find anything in this picture not grotesque. It all makes me deeply uncomfortable.

Not acknowledging the point, or another person's pain, is absolutely dismissive.

I was there, young one, back when the ancient scripts were written.

T'was the early 00's and I, as was fashionable at the time, used to use the information superhighway or "internet" as we call it now. Back then, a lot of men used to include "weight limits" on their dating profiles, catfishing being rather common back then. To counter this, a group of women started, and you'll laugh here, adding "height minimums" to their dating profiles to poke fun at such presumptuous men.

Well, as you can imagine, those young men were so very angry, especially when fat-shaming became socially unacceptable, whereas height jokes became the norm.

Witticisms aside - the whole "height" issue incels raise has its roots in feminist trolling, which was aimed as a counter to weight shaming.

Whole Lee Shit. I know some short kings that aren't complaining. Meanwhile I'm out here tall, single, and my back hurts.

Healthy blend of Advaita, Buddhist and Sufi philosophical thought here.

"Woman bad"

Unfortunately misogyny tends to come with a elementary level sense of humor, which equates to mean=funny

There are people who want to be pissed and shit on, and other people who can only cum via balloon popping, and other people still who need extreme racism in the bedroom to get off...

And people think the hard line is 6 foot, which statistically makes 0 sense as there exist short people in perfectly happy relationships.

A really short (but super buff) guy stole my mates ex-wife. Really nice guy though. Even my mate has no problem with him.

That being said, I do rock climbing, and the taller guys definitely have a general advantage.. However, Alex Hannold is only 180cm, so, I don't think it really matters

I think it's 5'9", in the U. S.; 5'7" is the average for the world.

maybe his growth spurt went into his dick instead of his height ? was his nickname horse ? Alas in my case it was the opposite.

That’s like the most nutsack comment ever.

I know we are talking about my short dad having gratuitous sex, but I never want to think of his penis again thx.

Oh that's funny. Especially as weight maximums also tend to create height maximums

Rather - honestly when you accept that incels are just a counter-counter-culture (double counter intended) you can see the humour in it.

I just mean healthy tall women weigh more. A 6' woman in decent shape weighs enough that were she 5'4" she'd be chubby